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« Reply #15: October 15, 2007, 04:49:44 pm »

That's a very real possibility. From my experience with a couple of "new gods" they are reluctant to claim any sort of place with the "old gods". IME (and this is totally UPG btw) there is a sort of "hierarchy of respect" amongst the gods...this is not because of authority (even though the older gods do tend to have more authority) it's truly because the newer gods honor those who have gone before.

And yet He and Morrigan get along famously when it comes to picking on me. Roll Eyes I think you hit the nail on the head with the word respect though. He's not *afraid*, it's just... not His place, or something like that. *Shrug*
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« Reply #16: October 15, 2007, 05:37:52 pm »

And yet He and Morrigan get along famously when it comes to picking on me. Roll Eyes I think you hit the nail on the head with the word respect though. He's not *afraid*, it's just... not His place, or something like that. *Shrug*

*laughs* I know a few people who get on famously with Morrigan...*especially* when it comes to picking.
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« Reply #17: October 16, 2007, 04:07:49 am »

I also don't believe that new gods come about because there is a need, but that they come about and then may fill a need that exists somewhere. They "find their niche" so to speak.

I could certainly see that this may be the case - after all, if we had been born in the 18th century, we wouldn't have a clue about computers whereas young people today are often so talented with information technology it's unbelieveable - why wouldn't newer gods be the same?
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« Reply #18: October 16, 2007, 02:51:56 pm »

I could certainly see that this may be the case - after all, if we had been born in the 18th century, we wouldn't have a clue about computers whereas young people today are often so talented with information technology it's unbelieveable - why wouldn't newer gods be the same?

Exactly. I don't think that gods only reproduce/create new gods when there is a need for them. IME they're just like us...
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« Reply #19: October 16, 2007, 06:09:04 pm »

If you have the feeling that your deity may be from a lost culture or is a very ancient form of a deity, it then follows that you will have to ask a lot of questions of that deity (and I am sure the deity would be aware of the situation)

My question then is, besides meditation and having to over-burden such a deity with questions, what other methods can be used to gain insight into the situation?  Has anyone personally experienced this situation?

These are not strictly lost Goddess but I seldom see reference to them, Tiamat (Babylonian) and Lilith.
Both of these have at one point or another had me trying to communicate.  Was I succesful, I feel like I was, but it was more like simply a persence.  They certainly helped me along for a little while.
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« Reply #20: October 21, 2007, 04:22:36 pm »

My question then is, besides meditation and having to over-burden such a deity with questions, what other methods can be used to gain insight into the situation?  Has anyone personally experienced this situation?

From a more recent perspective, I've just started towards working with Mithras...I don't think he was nudging at me, just that I had wanted to get to know him (for potentially batshit personal reasons). I met him in meditation last night, although I really can't seem to find any modern followers of this god...so he's going to have to put up with a lot of questions LOL.
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« Reply #21: October 23, 2007, 07:06:36 am »

From a more recent perspective, I've just started towards working with Mithras...I don't think he was nudging at me, just that I had wanted to get to know him (for potentially batshit personal reasons). I met him in meditation last night, although I really can't seem to find any modern followers of this god...so he's going to have to put up with a lot of questions LOL.

I have heard of Mithras before, but I'd need to go and look up where. He's a sun-god isn't he? Which culture?
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« Reply #22: October 23, 2007, 08:23:09 am »

I have heard of Mithras before, but I'd need to go and look up where. He's a sun-god isn't he? Which culture?

Persian deity, imported to Rome where his cult became very popular in the Roman military.
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« Reply #23: November 26, 2007, 06:48:29 pm »

My question then is, besides meditation and having to over-burden such a deity with questions, what other methods can be used to gain insight into the situation?  Has anyone personally experienced this situation?

To the latter question, yes.  The Gods bothering me are exceptionally old.  Their perspective is so alien to me I feel as though I've wandered into a Lovecraft short and their time scale is glacial.  They are withdrawn, sleepy, and more animal than anthropomorphic.  I can find echoes of them in Artaios, Artio, Andarta, Oslo, the Great Bear, Math, Artemis, and Andarta, but they themselves are so ineffable and untouchable to me.  They may pre-date language for all I know.  Coming to terms with the reality that they are so distant from here has helped a great deal.  I've mostly stopped trying to work out facts about them, they're not forthcoming about themselves anyway, so I've begun to let myself feel it rather than think it.  Considering that they are generally sleeping Gods, particularly now, that works for me.  I'm not ready to explore a God's subconscious just yet.  I strive to intuit what I have to, and being firmly fixed in a modern worldview, I write things down, but I go on instinct as much as I feel comfortable doing.
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« Reply #24: November 26, 2007, 06:54:51 pm »

To the latter question, yes.  The Gods bothering me are exceptionally old.  Their perspective is so alien to me I feel as though I've wandered into a Lovecraft short and their time scale is glacial.  They are withdrawn, sleepy, and more animal than anthropomorphic. 

It's possible that animals have deities. If they do, they might be something like what you are describing here. Just speculation, mind you.
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« Reply #25: November 26, 2007, 07:40:48 pm »

It's possible that animals have deities. If they do, they might be something like what you are describing here. Just speculation, mind you.

oh boy, what a fun idea...I have to ask my dog.....

But I have also found that there are some nature spirits that one runs into who I think fall into this very very old, sleepy, somewhat cranky category. I am not sure that I would call them gods, though.
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« Reply #26: November 26, 2007, 08:42:36 pm »

It's possible that animals have deities. If they do, they might be something like what you are describing here. Just speculation, mind you.

She has human form, and I'm fairly certain He has as well though I've never seen it, but they seem to have the same attitude towards assuming human form that my Grandmom has towards shaving.  They just don't care how we relate to them, I suppose.

Still, it's a fascinating idea, Gods of animals.  What would that say about me if they bother me?  I'm so human it's dull.
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