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Author Topic: Grounding to Various Elements  (Read 21999 times)
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« Reply #60: March 30, 2007, 01:51:14 pm »

I am not trying to go on and on about this, but am looking for clarification for my own thinking. So wouldn't the astral entity be a form of energy and then if it induces confilict than wouldn't it be a negative form of energy?

If there is purposed energy in a room or object, I might. Or I might just repurpose the energy and use it for something else.  I'm more likely to cleanse an area because it attracts influences I don't want.  For example, if I moved into an house where people had been fighting all the time, I'd probably cleanse the place to drive out any astral entities that feed off of conflict and might try to induce conflict to feed.
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« Reply #61: March 30, 2007, 01:53:27 pm »

Agreed.

Well for me this ist not all wrong-wrong thinking.
I agree that energy itself is like the often quoted knife. You can cut bread with it, or stab a person.

But energy you pick up from a person for example could have taken some 'traits' one does not feel comfortable with, so this feels 'negative'. Another person could feel quite o.k. with the same thing.

It's all a question of being 'compatible' I guess - I fit the energy (or vice versa) it feels good for me, energy and I do not fit, I feel bad.
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« Reply #62: March 30, 2007, 01:56:30 pm »

Yes, this is what I am trying to grasp. I just agreed in a reply about the compatiblity of the energy. If an energy holds some kind of charge not compatible with mine for instance, then I would tend to think of it as negative energy normally. But now maybe I should just think of it as incompatable I guess. I don't know.

I think that while the energy itself doesn't bear a good/bad charge, having the lightheaded fuzzies isn't really a sensation that puts the human body in a state of comfort. 


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« Reply #63: March 31, 2007, 05:32:44 am »

I am not trying to go on and on about this, but am looking for clarification for my own thinking. So wouldn't the astral entity be a form of energy and then if it induces confilict than wouldn't it be a negative form of energy?


Electricity can be used to power machines in a hospital.  It can also fry a man.  Is the electricity positive or negative?
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« Reply #64: March 31, 2007, 07:19:55 am »

Here's a crazy idea that your comment just sent running through my head:

Maybe music, because it's mathematical in its harmonics and intervals and vibration patterns, and yet emotional because that's the level on which it communicates, is air-meets-water...

...and dance, because it's profoundly physical and yet a controlled expression of one's inner energy, is earth-meets-fire.

Through the combination of song and dance, therefore, one would blend all 4 elements possibly to manifest the fifth, spirit? It certainly would explain, in a Western esoteric framework, why this combination is so powerful in every human culture.

Just a thought (and veering off-topic a bit).

I really liked this.  Lightbulb moment for me.  Thank you.
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« Reply #65: March 31, 2007, 11:32:21 am »

I really liked this.  Lightbulb moment for me.  Thank you.

It was a lightbulb moment for me myself. The more I work with the elements, the more I appreciate them as a powerful mental construct for understanding how we humans and the universe interact.
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« Reply #66: March 31, 2007, 12:02:57 pm »

I am curious, do you any cleansing (of energies) like smudging a room?


I should start with - I am agreement with Randall that energy is just energy, it's is what you do with it that counts.

I think that there is some confusion here as to what we each mean by energy.  When Randall and I (among others) talk about energy, we mean that which powers magical workings.  The energy that people 'leave behind' is generally something different - it is an imprint of them.  This will fade with time, or (such as when you move into a house) can be pushed out just by cleaning and putting your own 'personality energies' in a place.  If smudging helps you to 'clean' someone else out - fine.  But I think that what Randall means (as do I) when he says he will sometimes clean something out he is still referring to 'magical energies' that are there.  That is why he said he will if it is purposed. 
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« Reply #67: March 31, 2007, 09:20:15 pm »

I should start with - I am agreement with Randall that energy is just energy, it's is what you do with it that counts.

I think that there is some confusion here as to what we each mean by energy.  When Randall and I (among others) talk about energy, we mean that which powers magical workings.  The energy that people 'leave behind' is generally something different - it is an imprint of them.  This will fade with time, or (such as when you move into a house) can be pushed out just by cleaning and putting your own 'personality energies' in a place.  If smudging helps you to 'clean' someone else out - fine.  But I think that what Randall means (as do I) when he says he will sometimes clean something out he is still referring to 'magical energies' that are there.  That is why he said he will if it is purposed. 

This is the first time I've disagreed with Eadie, but I'll go ahead and stick my neck out this once.

The energy we use in Magical works becomes imprinted with our "signature," our intent.  That is what lingers, to my reckoning, in the physical environment.  Before I moved into this apartment, I smudged the place three times, just to be cautious.

Spiritual energy is here, there, everywhere.  We mark it with our passing.  Others have too, even though they did not know it.  So I find it wise to do a cleansing in the name of caution.  A sagegrass smudge works for me.

But I find that the energy - active in ourselves, our intent, or passive in the local environment - is the same.  Only the name changes.
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« Reply #68: April 01, 2007, 04:45:49 am »

The energy we use in Magical works becomes imprinted with our "signature," our intent.  That is what lingers, to my reckoning, in the physical environment.  Before I moved into this apartment, I smudged the place three times, just to be cautious.

Spiritual energy is here, there, everywhere.  We mark it with our passing.  Others have too, even though they did not know it.  So I find it wise to do a cleansing in the name of caution.  A sagegrass smudge works for me.

But I find that the energy - active in ourselves, our intent, or passive in the local environment - is the same.  Only the name changes.

This is what I think, too. I agree with what you say here.
It's when people say: 'Oh Reiki is neutral and intelligent and it always stays pure and neutral you just channel it.'

I came to learn that this isn't true, channelling the energy, everybody imprints his own signature on it. So staying with the example: I had a Reiki Teacher I came along fine with, another woman I know of, literally ran away from him. She couldn't stand the traits that energy took through him. Also I know a woman who sticks in personal issues up to her chin - Reiki didn't changed her, she changed the energy in a way I wouldn't want any from her.

 
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« Reply #69: April 01, 2007, 11:40:21 am »

This is the first time I've disagreed with Eadie, but I'll go ahead and stick my neck out this once.

The energy we use in Magical works becomes imprinted with our "signature," our intent.  That is what lingers, to my reckoning, in the physical environment.  Before I moved into this apartment, I smudged the place three times, just to be cautious.

Spiritual energy is here, there, everywhere.  We mark it with our passing.  Others have too, even though they did not know it.  So I find it wise to do a cleansing in the name of caution.  A sagegrass smudge works for me.

But I find that the energy - active in ourselves, our intent, or passive in the local environment - is the same.  Only the name changes.

Go ahead and disagree - my ""we was not for the board, but for Randall and I (and any who agreed with us) simply because I already knew (past experience) that Randall and I have similar views on energy.

I don't smudge simply because I don't ever smudge anything.  I have been know to start a 'filtering' shield in the center of my being and spread it out to encompass my house.  I idea is that anything that couldn't get through it is pushed out.  Also, when I move into a place I clean with intent to also clean any remains of the previous people out (this is for normal 'clearing' not anything really strong) and move in/unpack with the intent of making it mine.  So I AM doing something - but it is in the intent (Uncle Al's will at work) behind a mundane task.

I have had a number of people walk into 'my space' and comment on how calm and relaxing it feels (because that is how my space will be if I have to kill someone to get it - or divorce them).  And have had several who were in the same living space with the previous tenants mention how much nicer it felt with my 'stuff' there (I didn't mention that my furniture arranging was not what they were feeling).

But, I don't think that the detrius we all leave behind us anywhere we spend a lot of time is the same as 'magical energy'.  I think it is similar, but not the same.  And I try to 'make an end' and not leave bunches behind when I move from a house or an office simply out of politeness.
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« Reply #70: April 01, 2007, 04:19:42 pm »

I am not trying to go on and on about this, but am looking for clarification for my own thinking. So wouldn't the astral entity be a form of energy and then if it induces confilict than wouldn't it be a negative form of energy?


Conflict is not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes the best way to learn is through a conflict style debate with two people each taking up diametrically opposed positions. Conflict doesn't need to be violent or destructive, although it all too often is.
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« Reply #71: April 01, 2007, 05:40:14 pm »

I am not trying to go on and on about this, but am looking for clarification for my own thinking. So wouldn't the astral entity be a form of energy and then if it induces confilict than wouldn't it be a negative form of energy?

Would the electricity that kills someone be somehow "negative" and the electricity that power a defibrillator that restarts someone's heart be somehow "positive"? Electricity isn't different regardless of whether it harms or heals. I don't see why magical energy would be any different.
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« Reply #72: April 01, 2007, 06:43:24 pm »

I wouldn't. Good point. I think I personalize energy.
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Would the electricity that kills someone be somehow "negative" and the electricity that power a defibrillator that restarts someone's heart be somehow "positive"? Electricity isn't different regardless of whether it harms or heals. I don't see why magical energy would be any different.
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« Reply #73: April 02, 2007, 12:53:57 pm »

I have been know to start a 'filtering' shield in the center of my being and spread it out to encompass my house.  I idea is that anything that couldn't get through it is pushed out. 

Would you elaborate on this?  It would be enormously helpful when I do massage off-site.
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« Reply #74: April 02, 2007, 02:37:01 pm »

Not Eadie, but hers sounds similar to mine.  I start with a kind of glowing ball at my centre, but when it expands it becomes a kind of net, starting with a very fine mesh when it is close to me and expanding into larger holes as it gets farther away.  I visualize it as bright glowing gold, with a kind of bronze-y undertone.  Anything that can't fit through the mesh is pushed out, but I have it 'set' to ignore certain small house-beings I don't want to evict.

When I'm nervous or away from home it starts inside me, but when I'm at home it starts somewhere under the house and goes up into the sky, taking away anything that shouldn't be there.

I'm also interested in hearing what Eadie's is like.

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