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« Reply #30: June 01, 2007, 08:35:05 pm »

Yes, it's very discouraging being when people are constantly telling you to wait until you're older to join anything. How can we know it's something worth waiting for if we can't really experience it to see?

I agree this is a huge disadvantage for teen seekers.  I used to give classes in basic wicca and, over the course of a couple of years had 3 teens in my classes.  All three of them were there with a parent which is the ONLY way I could do it with the current political climate.  Two of the three teens were fantastic students.

If someone started a teen-pagan group, he/she would be considered to be wacky before any evidence could be gathered.  But, if the political climate changed, there are a bunch of us who would advise such a group in a heart-beat. 

However, I have a couple of questions that address this (completely theoretical) pagan youth group: one has to do with the rights of youth to decide for themselves on spiritual topics and the other has to do with selection of members in a pagan youth group.

On the first one, I've always felt that it was personally unethical to push religious ideas on minors.  I didn't teach my kids much about religion; I wanted them to grow up and make their own decisions.  So if I was a leader of this theoretical group, how would I reconcile it?

And, the second ethical concern I would have is that I have always thought of youth-type groups as come one, come all.  You know...the "We don't say no to anyone" slogan.  I think that being inclusive would be very important, yet I don't know any High Priestess, High Priest, or Elder-type who would agree to teach magic or engage in ritual with just anyone off the street.  How would you square this up?
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« Reply #31: June 01, 2007, 08:38:39 pm »

I agree this is a huge disadvantage for teen seekers.  I used to give classes in basic wicca and, over the course of a couple of years had 3 teens in my classes.  All three of them were there with a parent which is the ONLY way I could do it with the current political climate.  Two of the three teens were fantastic students.

If someone started a teen-pagan group, he/she would be considered to be wacky before any evidence could be gathered.  But, if the political climate changed, there are a bunch of us who would advise such a group in a heart-beat. 

However, I have a couple of questions that address this (completely theoretical) pagan youth group: one has to do with the rights of youth to decide for themselves on spiritual topics and the other has to do with selection of members in a pagan youth group.

On the first one, I've always felt that it was personally unethical to push religious ideas on minors.  I didn't teach my kids much about religion; I wanted them to grow up and make their own decisions.  So if I was a leader of this theoretical group, how would I reconcile it?

And, the second ethical concern I would have is that I have always thought of youth-type groups as come one, come all.  You know...the "We don't say no to anyone" slogan.  I think that being inclusive would be very important, yet I don't know any High Priestess, High Priest, or Elder-type who would agree to teach magic or engage in ritual with just anyone off the street.  How would you square this up?

Well, for the first: unless you're dragging kids off the streets to attend these classes, you're not pushing religion on them. They're out looking for it, just like any other seeker.

As for the second: having a diverse group of teachers would help with that- if one couldn't teach or handle a particular student, they might be able to send the student to a teacher who would be more successful.
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« Reply #32: June 04, 2007, 06:25:18 pm »

In the "Pagan Wackjobs" thread a thought occurred to me in Star's post.

This has me wondering, is drama just inherent to teenagers?

Well, a teenager is bound to have *some* drama in their life. But I don't think it's just inherent for mass drama. There'll ba a little bit, but I doubt it's just oing to pop up everywhere.

That said, with a new religion there is *always* at least a smidgeon of drama unless it's a very slow gradual type of change. I mean slow and gradual as in over the entire time of teendom.

I know some teens who are more prone to drama *looks at self* and some who aren't.

But I've never run into  a wackjob-at least, not a Pagan/religious wackjob. Racist wackjob, yes. Religious? Nah, not really. (Unless we're talking about the racist one being a bit anti-everyone-else's-religion).
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