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« Topic Start: October 29, 2007, 11:11:29 pm »

http://biz.yahoo.com/law/071029/8d729402318ba33de7738a334e1b9958.html?.v=1

Looks like another court has shot down ULC marriages.  this one looks really bad. not only are the marriages not valid, but it's an out for alimony, etc.
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« Reply #1: October 30, 2007, 07:36:14 am »

http://biz.yahoo.com/law/071029/8d729402318ba33de7738a334e1b9958.html?.v=1

Looks like another court has shot down ULC marriages.  this one looks really bad. not only are the marriages not valid, but it's an out for alimony, etc.

That's insane.

I thought in the past the way most courts handled it was that if you thought the wedding was legit, it WAS legit.  The idea of saying that it was bull so the entire marriage can go poof .....
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« Reply #2: October 30, 2007, 07:57:00 am »

That's insane.

I thought in the past the way most courts handled it was that if you thought the wedding was legit, it WAS legit.  The idea of saying that it was bull so the entire marriage can go poof .....

That has happened before. North Carolina declared all ULC marriages invalid a few decades ago IF somebody challenged the marriage.  State legislature had to step in and fix it so that pre-existing marriages were valid.

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« Reply #3: October 30, 2007, 02:31:06 pm »

Looks like another court has shot down ULC marriages.  this one looks really bad. not only are the marriages not valid, but it's an out for alimony, etc.

I heard (From the actual ULC based in Modesto, CA) that they are very careful NOT to call their ordination "online ordination", that each ULC minister DOES have a congregation (in Modesto...if they ever want to go there) and that the ordination is done by a *real person*. They've even done away with printable certificates (which are not real, the real ones always came in the mail later) to avoid confusion.

Apparently, though, there are two ULC's. One is based somewhere in the South, and is NOT in any way affiliated with the ULC in Modesto.

If they suddenly declare all marriages performed by ULC ministers invalid, does that mean that people have to pay back any tax benefits gained by being married? What about if that's not possible, if one spouse has died, etc? I can't imagine how this could go through.
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« Reply #4: October 30, 2007, 03:08:58 pm »

I heard (From the actual ULC based in Modesto, CA) that they are very careful NOT to call their ordination "online ordination", that each ULC minister DOES have a congregation (in Modesto...if they ever want to go there) and that the ordination is done by a *real person*. They've even done away with printable certificates (which are not real, the real ones always came in the mail later) to avoid confusion.

Apparently, though, there are two ULC's. One is based somewhere in the South, and is NOT in any way affiliated with the ULC in Modesto.

If they suddenly declare all marriages performed by ULC ministers invalid, does that mean that people have to pay back any tax benefits gained by being married? What about if that's not possible, if one spouse has died, etc? I can't imagine how this could go through.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of ULCs. That was a result of the IRS rulings in the 1980s. Each person who is ordained can (and is supposed to) start their own congregation.  If ULC hadn't gone with that, then Modesto would have been liable for the actions of all ULC ministers it ever granted credentials to.

As for married couples, I'm not sure. In the North Carolina case, from the basis of the ruling, you'd have to re-file and pay back whatever is owed.  That's one reason the NC legislature grandfathered ULC marriages prior to a certain date.

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