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« Reply #30: March 29, 2008, 08:19:04 am »

Buddhism says that attachment is bad and should be avoided.  As I understand it (and I may well be wrong, in which case, I'd like to know more!) there's a certain anti-this-world aspect to it.

FlameKeeping is VERY specifically this-world.  There is no goal of getting off the reincarnation wheel or discarding karmic attachments or anything like that.  There is this world and it is GOOD.  We are individuals and it is GOOD.  We are part of a greater whole, yes, and that's important - but we're also individuals and that's important too.

I hope this makes sense.  If not, please, ask more questions.  I like questions. Smiley

Ah, just the aspects of Buddhism I disagree with!

Also, I don't know if it's my comp or connection, but I cannot get ANY of the pages from the Table of Contents to work. Blargh.  Huh
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« Reply #31: March 29, 2008, 08:34:25 am »

Ah, just the aspects of Buddhism I disagree with!

Also, I don't know if it's my comp or connection, but I cannot get ANY of the pages from the Table of Contents to work. Blargh.  Huh

hrm.  you're the second person to say links are broken.  proly means the table of contents is what's broken.  ARGH.

I'll take a look at it when I have time.  *sigh* or, better, I'll get someone that knows HTML to look at it! Cheesy
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« Reply #32: March 29, 2008, 08:43:07 am »

I'll take a look at it when I have time.  *sigh* or, better, I'll get someone that knows HTML to look at it! Cheesy

I just looked at your Table of Contents. It's broke.  All the links look like this one for "What is FlameKeeping?"

http://www.flamekeeping.org/www/flamekeeping.org/?p=48

but should look like this to work:

http://www.flamekeeping.org/?p=48

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« Reply #33: March 29, 2008, 08:59:43 am »

Buddhism says that attachment is bad and should be avoided.  As I understand it (and I may well be wrong, in which case, I'd like to know more!) there's a certain anti-this-world aspect to it.

I have a very limited understanding of the path I'm called to (at least I think it's limited, considering it's been three years I've been following it!), but I think there's a clarification needing to be made, here.

(My thoughts are partly fueled by the current Tibetan situation.)

It's not so much anti-this-world, as anti-clinging. We *will* have attachments to things and people here. I will NEVER become unattached to my daughter, or my fiance, or my father. It's not the attachment itself that's considered a problem. It's when that attachment prevents me from moving on, or progressing, or doing what needs to be done in my current situation, that the attachment is a problem. We *are* in the world, we cannot be otherwise. (Monks marching in the streets of Lhasa are hardly "not of the world," are they? Buddhist monks have a long, *long* history of being militant, and not only in Tibet. That was happening in Buddha's day too.)

Mindfulness is the key. Awareness of what we are doing, and that what we are doing *right now* isn't what we'll be doing in a week, or a day, or an hour. I have a job. Some day that job might not be there. I cannot let myself be frozen by the attachment to that job and the income it brings. Some day my daughter might not be there. I cannot let that attachment to her prevent me from doing what I need to do--I cannot put everything on hold and spend every second with her because she will someday be gone (either by leaving home, by marrying, by dying).

It was very, very difficult when my mom was dying. I wanted to be there as often as I could--that was a powerful attachment. However, I couldn't. Weather prevented us from traveling many of the days we'd planned to go. I stayed in touch by phone, and at the end by emails (sent to the care facility, they printed them out on lovely paper and hand-delivered them to her, and Dad read them for her). I didn't let that attachment halt my movement. I did what I needed to do despite wanting to be at her side.

That, at least, is my understanding of "attachment is bad." It's more like, "Attachment that prevents us from doing what we need to do is bad." Live in the moment, and know that this moment will never be here again. And that's as it should be.

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« Reply #34: March 29, 2008, 09:01:39 am »

I just looked at your Table of Contents. It's broke.  All the links look like this one for "What is FlameKeeping?"

http://www.flamekeeping.org/www/flamekeeping.org/?p=48

but should look like this to work:

http://www.flamekeeping.org/?p=48



*sigh* yeah, I just had Ocelot look at it for me too.  Looks like I'm going to have to slog through and delete stuff.  argh.

I should update it anyway.  double-argh!  (adds that to her list of things to do)

Thanks, Randall.
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« Reply #35: March 29, 2008, 09:02:30 am »

I have a very limited understanding of the path I'm called to (at least I think it's limited, considering it's been three years I've been following it!), but I think there's a clarification needing to be made, here.

Thank you VERY much for your post, Karen.  That helps me understand it a lot better.  You've given me something to think on. Smiley
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« Reply #36: March 29, 2008, 09:37:32 am »

Thank you VERY much for your post, Karen.  That helps me understand it a lot better.  You've given me something to think on. Smiley

You're welcome. Just take it with the caveat I offered, that I'm not a professional (don't try this at home LOL). It's the understanding I've come to through my readings in the last few years, and I'm definitely still learning. I hope I never stop. :-)

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« Reply #37: March 29, 2008, 09:41:09 am »

That, at least, is my understanding of "attachment is bad." It's more like, "Attachment that prevents us from doing what we need to do is bad." Live in the moment, and know that this moment will never be here again. And that's as it should be.

That is totally true. And something I need to think on as well (been there, done that, have the T-Shirt LOL).

The thing is, we can't afford to allow our attachments to rule our lives, and that's what I've been doing all too often of late. Once you've been completely emotionally crippled by something that you couldn't let go of, and that you couldn't see would still be there when you got back, attachment takes on a whole new meaning.
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« Reply #38: March 29, 2008, 10:21:19 am »

*sigh* yeah, I just had Ocelot look at it for me too.  Looks like I'm going to have to slog through and delete stuff.  argh.

You ought to be able to do something like search for:

http://www.flamekeeping.org/www/flamekeeping.org/

and replace it with:

http://www.flamekeeping.org/

in most HTML editors.

That should turn links like:

http://www.flamekeeping.org/www/flamekeeping.org/?p=48

into:

http://www.flamekeeping.org/?p=48
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« Reply #39: March 29, 2008, 10:42:36 am »


Shadow your blog is Wordpress right? I don't know how it works with your specific own domain name (other than having it hosted on wordpress like mine is) but I'm an author on there, IIRC. I might be able to help you out with the links. (actually, it should be pretty painless...but I may wind up eating my words on that one.)
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« Reply #40: March 29, 2008, 11:13:55 am »

oooh, another person!  Smiley

I really like your post-bits.  Especially the second one and the last one, though I like the analogy, too.  (FlameKeeping is agnostic on the idea of reincarnation - I personally don't believe in it).  I think they'd make great essays.  And I like where you're going with it.

As far as broken links - I don't know where they are.  Could you email me with them or something, so I can take a look and a hammer to it? Cheesy

Glad you like them, they were are written a while ago- probably at least two years for the most recent, and I have come a way since then. I'm not sure how much I still feel the RPG analogy is accurate, but I like it and it has a certain amount of value. I'd say the last one is the most important- and I intend to expand on it in the near(ish) future. I've never liked the idea that a loving god would want us to be miserable- which is what the teachings of some christian denominations imply.

As for the broken links I see other people have offered better help than I could have already. Here's hoping a simple search and replace will do the trick.

Oh, I'll probably C&P some of the other spiritual type stuff from where it is into my LJ. I've been thinking about doing it for a while, but never got around to it.
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« Reply #41: March 29, 2008, 12:50:00 pm »


Well, if you ever feel like expanding that last one into an essay for my site, I'd be happy to host it! Cheesy  *subtle hint, subtle hint ....* Wink
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« Reply #42: March 29, 2008, 03:33:06 pm »

Well, if you ever feel like expanding that last one into an essay for my site, I'd be happy to host it! Cheesy  *subtle hint, subtle hint ....* Wink

Yea shadow, you're REAL subtle. LMAO
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« Reply #43: March 29, 2008, 06:43:31 pm »

Well, if you ever feel like expanding that last one into an essay for my site, I'd be happy to host it! Cheesy  *subtle hint, subtle hint ....* Wink
Oh yes, very subtle!

I was thinking about expanding on it myself, and when i'm done I'll be sure to let you know.
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« Reply #44: March 29, 2008, 07:31:49 pm »

Yea shadow, you're REAL subtle. LMAO

Thats flamekeepers; subtle, polished and completely unintrested in penguins.
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