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« Reply #45: March 29, 2008, 07:42:22 pm »

Thats flamekeepers; subtle, polished and completely unintrested in penguins.


Uninterested in penguins??? Yikes, am I about to get excommunicated?v Grin
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« Reply #46: March 29, 2008, 08:04:15 pm »

Uninterested in penguins??? Yikes, am I about to get excommunicated?v Grin
On the same day as the unsubtle ones and the unpolished ones.

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« Reply #47: March 29, 2008, 08:27:48 pm »

On the same day as the unsubtle ones and the unpolished ones.

<gigglesnort>

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oooh, I get to be a heretic after all?  SWEEEEEEET!
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« Reply #48: March 29, 2008, 08:39:06 pm »

On the same day as the unsubtle ones and the unpolished ones.

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What a bunch we are  Cheesy
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« Reply #49: June 06, 2008, 04:00:23 pm »

oooh, another person!  Smiley

I really like your post-bits.  Especially the second one and the last one, though I like the analogy, too.  (FlameKeeping is agnostic on the idea of reincarnation - I personally don't believe in it).  I think they'd make great essays.  And I like where you're going with it.

As far as broken links - I don't know where they are.  Could you email me with them or something, so I can take a look and a hammer to it? Cheesy

But the belief in reincarnation acceptable within  Flamekeeping?
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« Reply #50: June 06, 2008, 04:38:10 pm »

oooh, I get to be a heretic after all?  SWEEEEEEET!

The Founder is a heretic in her own religion?  Whoa.  *headspin*

A very delicious oxymoron. Cheesy
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« Reply #51: June 06, 2008, 05:22:21 pm »

But the belief in reincarnation acceptable within  Flamekeeping?

That's a very important question.  If Flamekeeping doesn't allow for reincarnation, that's a major difference between my own path's code and Flamekeeping.  My path holds reincarnation as not only acceptable but required.  Its difference with Hindu/Buddhist reincarnation is that your new incarnation is not dependant on your previous existences.
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« Reply #52: June 06, 2008, 08:18:40 pm »

But the belief in reincarnation acceptable within  Flamekeeping?

Reincarnation is ... complicated.

I don't believe it's constantly one to one.  It can be, but it isn't *necessary*.

That said, it's not a major issue inside FlameKeeping either way.  It falls into the category of "damned if we know" and to use whatever it takes to actually work.  If belief in reincarnation works, it's fine.  If it doesn't, that's fine too.

I tend to believe in a reincarnation in that we come back, but not the bits that make up me-Shadow turning into a new me-baby.  Instead, I think bits and pieces of me are reborn into a thousand different people, just as I am made up of thousands of people.

But that's MY view.  As far as the religion itself goes, it's kinda irrelevant.
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« Reply #53: June 06, 2008, 08:23:42 pm »

Reincarnation is ... complicated.

I don't believe it's constantly one to one.  It can be, but it isn't *necessary*.

That said, it's not a major issue inside FlameKeeping either way.  It falls into the category of "damned if we know" and to use whatever it takes to actually work.  If belief in reincarnation works, it's fine.  If it doesn't, that's fine too.

I tend to believe in a reincarnation in that we come back, but not the bits that make up me-Shadow turning into a new me-baby.  Instead, I think bits and pieces of me are reborn into a thousand different people, just as I am made up of thousands of people.

But that's MY view.  As far as the religion itself goes, it's kinda irrelevant.

So in other words you would not refuse someone Flamekeepership (its a word - even though I just made i up Wink ) Just because they believe in reincarnation?
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« Reply #54: June 06, 2008, 08:31:23 pm »

So in other words you would not refuse someone Flamekeepership (its a word - even though I just made i up Wink ) Just because they believe in reincarnation?

absolutely not.  Reincarnation works for you, more power to you.

The thing that matters to me is the /mindset/.  If you have that (the Universe is Divine, and it is our job to improve It), the details are personal.

I find reincarnation PERSONALLY messy and weird.  But that's personal and not religious. Smiley  (and I have nothing against people that believe it, it just SERIOUSLY doesn't work for me).

and there's details, like what it means to find the Universe Divine, and how we view the person (the Flames, Bright and Dark).  But what matters is the mindset.  The details are personal. Smiley
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« Reply #55: June 06, 2008, 08:32:40 pm »

absolutely not.  Reincarnation works for you, more power to you.

The thing that matters to me is the /mindset/.  If you have that (the Universe is Divine, and it is our job to improve It), the details are personal.

I find reincarnation PERSONALLY messy and weird.  But that's personal and not religious. Smiley  (and I have nothing against people that believe it, it just SERIOUSLY doesn't work for me).

and there's details, like what it means to find the Universe Divine, and how we view the person (the Flames, Bright and Dark).  But what matters is the mindset.  The details are personal. Smiley

Thats kinda what I thought - but thank you for clearing that up! Grin
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« Reply #56: June 07, 2008, 08:33:21 pm »

So in other words you would not refuse someone Flamekeepership (its a word - even though I just made i up Wink ) Just because they believe in reincarnation?

I realized I answered one half of this question and not the other half.

As far as refusing someone Flamekeepership (cool word!) I do not feel I have that right/ability.  I can say what someone's doing doesn't look like MY IMAGE of Flamekeeping - but I don't own it.  I'm the messenger, not the message, and I can't draw lines in the sand and say what is and isn't acceptable.

I make cracks about being a guru, and I expect that as long as I'm around, my input is going to be a little more equal than others Cheesy but that doesn't make me the final arbiter.  That's for the gods and the Divine, not me.

If someone is called, my job and goal is to give them the tools to figure out for themselves if this is their path or not.  It is NOT my place to tell people whether or not they're doing it "right" outside the simple level of a friend advising when requested.

It's not a *one right way* religion, that if you do it wrong you're not allowed.  If a whole new subset shows up that has reincarnation as an important part of the path, that's okay too.  What's important is that my words are heard by those that need them.  Everything else is just my ego.  (which, btw, is HUUUUUUUGE! Cheesy )
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« Reply #57: June 08, 2008, 08:56:05 pm »

It's not a *one right way* religion, that if you do it wrong you're not allowed.  If a whole new subset shows up that has reincarnation as an important part of the path, that's okay too.  What's important is that my words are heard by those that need them.  Everything else is just my ego.  (which, btw, is HUUUUUUUGE! Cheesy )

Don't mind me, I come from a place where if you didn't follow the rules "off with yer 'ead" was the predominant reality. Being a part of a religion is very much a scary thing to me due to that. So I may have a lot of questions.
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« Reply #58: June 08, 2008, 09:53:23 pm »

Don't mind me, I come from a place where if you didn't follow the rules "off with yer 'ead" was the predominant reality. Being a part of a religion is very much a scary thing to me due to that. So I may have a lot of questions.

oh, I understand completely.  That's one of the reasons I'm SO careful to make it plain I'm not some kind of smiting guru - because there's the image.  And I don't want it applied to me.  (at least not in serious!)

Questions are good.  After all, if you don't ask, how do you learn?

But there's no *one right way*.  It's a mindset - and if you have that mindset, everything else you have to figure out on your own ANYWAY. Smiley  (and if you don't, you're doing something else!)
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« Reply #59: June 08, 2008, 10:29:03 pm »

oh, I understand completely.  That's one of the reasons I'm SO careful to make it plain I'm not some kind of smiting guru - because there's the image.  And I don't want it applied to me.  (at least not in serious!)

Questions are good.  After all, if you don't ask, how do you learn?

But there's no *one right way*.  It's a mindset - and if you have that mindset, everything else you have to figure out on your own ANYWAY. Smiley  (and if you don't, you're doing something else!)

Its the mindset that is attractive to me. In all my blithering around its one that I have maintained over the years.

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