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« Reply #75: June 16, 2008, 09:44:55 pm »

wait .. it's not ANY child.  you're supposed to be watching MY child!

silly human. Tongue

Ok, ok, ok.

I've got it this time.

1. Thier is a Divine Entity.
2. A mother who "birthed" a religion.
3. A special child.
4. A tradition of giving gifts of chocolate to honor the child.

I dont know why, but this all sounds strangely familiar. Undecided
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« Reply #76: June 16, 2008, 09:56:41 pm »

Ok, ok, ok.

I've got it this time.

1. Thier is a Divine Entity.
2. A mother who "birthed" a religion.
3. A special child.
4. A tradition of giving gifts of chocolate to honor the child.

I dont know why, but this all sounds strangely familiar. Undecided

*falls over laughing*

y'know, I think my son is special, but even I'm not quite THAT vain .... Cheesy
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« Reply #77: June 17, 2008, 12:50:39 am »

Ok, ok, ok.

I've got it this time.

1. Thier is a Divine Entity.
2. A mother who "birthed" a religion.
3. A special child.
4. A tradition of giving gifts of chocolate to honor the child.

I dont know why, but this all sounds strangely familiar. Undecided

Thats right - give chocolate to the child. It will help the guru come up with unique ways of helping improve the divine Wink
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« Reply #78: June 17, 2008, 08:16:21 am »

Thats right - give chocolate to the child. It will help the guru come up with unique ways of helping improve the divine Wink

*sobs* and here I thought you LIKED me!

*sob*

the chocolate goes to ME so I can keep UP with Mr. Swuggypants, silly people! Cheesy
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« Reply #79: June 21, 2008, 01:19:39 pm »

*sobs* and here I thought you LIKED me!

*sob*

the chocolate goes to ME so I can keep UP with Mr. Swuggypants, silly people! Cheesy

So we give you chocolate and the little guy Cola? Cause you KNOW he will like the cola!
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« Reply #80: June 21, 2008, 04:08:40 pm »

So we give you chocolate and the little guy Cola? Cause you KNOW he will like the cola!

*sobs* you hate me!

and here I was being such a nice widdle guru, too.  *pout*
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« Reply #81: June 21, 2008, 04:12:32 pm »

*sobs* you hate me!

and here I was being such a nice widdle guru, too.  *pout*

Ok how bout just chocolate milk for the little guy?
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« Reply #82: June 21, 2008, 04:14:49 pm »

Ok how bout just chocolate milk for the little guy?

all right.  We have a deal.

Now, when are you coming over to babysit? Cheesy  I've got me some writing to do!
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« Reply #83: June 21, 2008, 04:19:18 pm »

all right.  We have a deal.

Now, when are you coming over to babysit? Cheesy  I've got me some writing to do!

Well I woul have to bring along the 3 year old kamakazi extreme sports toddler of my own cause Dad belongs to him and him alone on the weekends (this by his decree). So I am not sure I would be the best choice for a sitter if you wanted peace and quiet to write. Unless you have - like me - perfected the fine art of being philisophical, typing and wrestling all at the same time.
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« Reply #84: June 21, 2008, 09:33:45 pm »

Well I woul have to bring along the 3 year old kamakazi extreme sports toddler of my own cause Dad belongs to him and him alone on the weekends (this by his decree). So I am not sure I would be the best choice for a sitter if you wanted peace and quiet to write. Unless you have - like me - perfected the fine art of being philisophical, typing and wrestling all at the same time.

*grins* that's pretty much my life right now, yup. Cheesy

the two of them would probably get along - too well.  *nodnod*
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« Reply #85: June 21, 2008, 10:20:51 pm »

*grins* that's pretty much my life right now, yup. Cheesy

the two of them would probably get along - too well.  *nodnod*

My wife has mastered doing everything with him crawling on her - amazes me somedays LOL
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« Reply #86: June 21, 2008, 11:04:41 pm »

What is FlameKeeping?

FlameKeeping is a religion that I am writing.  It is a pantheistic faith: the Universe is Divine, and It is more than the sum of Its parts.  It is also polytheistic: there are gods that are intermediaries between ourselves and the Divine.  Being closer to the Divine nature, They can see more clearly what's going on and what needs to be done.  Being individual, though, They can act in ways that appear to conflict with each other.

What is FlameKeeping to the individual?  It is a calling to improve the Universe, both by improving oneself and by improving the world around us.  Because we are of the Divine, improving ourselves improves the whole.  But we're only a small part of that Divine.  We must also reach out and improve the world around us, or we are neglecting our abilities.

To be a FlameKeeper is to be aware of our inner Divine Flames.  There is the Bright Flame, that which is what we show to the world around us and which guides us to others.  And there is the Dark Flame, the inner darkness that renews and heals us.

Joining FlameKeeping is a two-step process.  The first one is deciding FlameKeeping makes sense and studying it.  The second, and the one that makes you a "full" FlameKeeper, is adding to the religion.  This can be with another essay (as it has been so far), with artwork, with action, or anything else that shows that the ideas have been incorporated and added to.  If it adds and shows understanding, then that too is added to FlameKeeping and the person is considered a full member.

I'm more than willing to answer questions.  Also, everything is at my website, www.flamekeeping.org

I, too am forming my own religion.  And much of what I have seen so far (a quick read of the latest of your articles, plus what is in your message above, for the most part), seems a bit eerily similar to the ideas that have been running around in my own head for the past year or so.  I say eerie simply because up to now I had thought I was alone in thinking some of the things I do.  Such as the Ultimate divine force, with gods as intermediaries... it's a concept many of my friends, including those who are pagans have a hard time relating to or even understanding.

However, I do have one thought for you... Christianity is not necessarily incompatible with Flamekeeping.  In the Bible there are actually two references that support the possibility of more than one god, while simply asking that Jehovah be worshipped as the Highest (basically king of the gods to lords and ladies, or something along those lines, possibly similar to your concept of the divine, with deities as intermediaries).

The first of these is something that I'm not absolutely certain of... the word Elohim(sp?) in the original Hebrew version of the old testament creation story could be referring to multiple gods, only later does the term change to refer to a single god *this I have heard from a few people, and looked up the term, the word also has at least one other meaning that makes sense in the context of the story, however I can't remember where I found it... this was a few years ago, and most of the websites I was using for research at the time were lost when my last computer crashed*. 

Another interesting thing that I had thought of was in the ten commandments.  "Thou shalt not have/worship other gods before me..."  This does not actually imply that other gods do not exist, nor that they are not to be worshipped.  It simply states that Jehovah is to be worshipped as the most high or as being ahead of the other gods.  It actually seems to imply that there are other gods, just that Jehovah is the most important of them.

Anyway, that was just something that had my interest for a while, I had started writing something on this but that article, too, was lost when my computer crashed.  I'll have to find the references again, as well as retype the article, when it's done I might share it here, if I may, and possibly at the Flamekeeping site, if you would like.

It may take a while, so don't think I've lost interest if I don't get back to you on this immediately.  I don't have the time I had before, as I now have a full time job, as well as taking care of kids and home when I'm not working.  But I will be getting back into my research and writing soon, and that sounds like a good one to start with.   Wink
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The first of these is something that I'm not absolutely certain of... the word Elohim(sp?) in the original Hebrew version of the old testament creation story could be referring to multiple gods, only later does the term change to refer to a single god

Think of it as being like the royal 'we.'  As far as I recall, that's exactly the way it's being used.

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Another interesting thing that I had thought of was in the ten commandments.  "Thou shalt not have/worship other gods before me..."  This does not actually imply that other gods do not exist, nor that they are not to be worshipped.  It simply states that Jehovah is to be worshipped as the most high or as being ahead of the other gods.  It actually seems to imply that there are other gods, just that Jehovah is the most important of them.

Not necessarily.  It's more the issue that a covenant was made, and as far as the Bible puts the case, people were worshipping idols etc, which was A Bad Thing.  Given the way this has been intepreted by *those who wrote it* and those who followed, I'd go with the spirit of it, rather than looking for legal-esque loop-holes. Smiley

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"Yous hall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.  You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God"  Emphasis added by me.  It's not 'worship me first, than others' it is 'don't worship others.'  I don't think it's necessarily a failing that they didn't add 'And they're not real anyway.'
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« Reply #88: June 22, 2008, 12:09:59 pm »


I'd be quite happy to have your input!  Smiley

As far as why I see FlameKeeping and Christianity as incompatible, it comes to me down to worldview, not gods - I do not see anything as *outside* the Universe.  Christianity has God first, Universe second.

pantheistic Christianity wouldn't be a problem, though. Cheesy  but it's a bit heretical.
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« Reply #89: June 22, 2008, 11:10:28 pm »

I'd be quite happy to have your input!  Smiley

As far as why I see FlameKeeping and Christianity as incompatible, it comes to me down to worldview, not gods - I do not see anything as *outside* the Universe.  Christianity has God first, Universe second.

pantheistic Christianity wouldn't be a problem, though. Cheesy  but it's a bit heretical.

Yeah, heresy has always been one of my strong points.Tongue  Not all Christians see it that way, though.  In fact, I've met some with very broad viewpoints where god and religion were concerned.  My best friend used to be like that, although she and I lost contact for a while, and only recently got back in touch, so I'm not really too sure where she stands on some things anymore.  We really haven't discussed anything deeper than how cute our kids are, lately.
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