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« Topic Start: November 06, 2007, 12:25:58 pm »

Hello all,
A while back I was having a conversation with a (typically non-judgemental) Christian friend of mine who said to me that she believed a religion could not truely be a religion unless it had a set of moral codes. She said her moral codes were the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus in the New.
Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?
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« Reply #1: November 06, 2007, 12:44:30 pm »

Hello all,
A while back I was having a conversation with a (typically non-judgemental) Christian friend of mine who said to me that she believed a religion could not truely be a religion unless it had a set of moral codes. She said her moral codes were the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus in the New.
Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

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« Reply #2: November 06, 2007, 12:49:33 pm »

Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

ma'at, ma'at, ma'at.  Smiley try to uphold ma'at, try not to be, as it was termed here, sand in the wheels of life.
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« Reply #3: November 06, 2007, 12:51:03 pm »

Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

Well, I'm studying ADF Dedicate program and they have the nine virtues which I am meditating on and trying to incorporate into my life.  The nine virtues are:

1) Wisdom
2) Piety
3) Vision
4) Courage
5) Integrity
6) Perseverance
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8 ) Moderation
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« Reply #4: November 06, 2007, 01:49:58 pm »

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Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

Nope.  My ethics and code of behavior is entirely non-religious.
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« Reply #5: November 06, 2007, 01:55:29 pm »

Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

The third Core of Belief and Practice:

"The third and final “core” of belief and practice is the acceptance of personal responsibility. This means considering the consequences of your choices before taking action, and also taking responsibility for all that you say and do (even when the results are not what you intended). It means understanding that every choice we make affects ourselves and maybe those around us; and that inaction is as much of a choice as a particular action."

I also have my own personal Code of Ethics/Honor which is a part of my path, but everyone who walks the path will have one which is slightly different.

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« Reply #6: November 06, 2007, 05:23:11 pm »

Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

I follow the Wiccan Rede: An it harm none, do what you will. Now, this does not mean the same thing as "do not ever hurt anything." It's really more complex than that. I can do what I want as long as I don't cause harm (and I define harm as something deliberately damaging... an action with premeditated intent to do damage).

That makes it a very personal moral code -- what I think will cause harm may not be what you think may cause harm. But it's also very freeing, because there's no one ELSE who can tell me what to do. On the other hand, it's a difficult moral code to process for people who WANT to be told what to do, which is why I think so many Wicca 101 books simplify it down into "Harm None"... and then proceed to equate harm with hurt. But it's impossible to live and not hurt anything, and I don't believe equating harm with hurt was what the original framers of the idea meant.

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« Reply #7: November 06, 2007, 05:52:18 pm »

I follow the Wiccan Rede: An it harm none, do what you will. Now, this does not mean the same thing as "do not ever hurt anything." It's really more complex than that. I can do what I want as long as I don't cause harm (and I define harm as something deliberately damaging... an action with premeditated intent to do damage).



I have the same kind of mentality as you do Karen, and I also try to follow the Wiccan Rede. I often find people telling me that it is impossible to live by and therefore a stupid moral code to have, but I find that it is a good thing to have at the back of my mind when analysing whether decisions will cause harm or not.

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« Reply #8: November 06, 2007, 05:55:22 pm »

I have the same kind of mentality as you do Karen, and I also try to follow the Wiccan Rede. I often find people telling me that it is impossible to live by and therefore a stupid moral code to have, but I find that it is a good thing to have at the back of my mind when analysing whether decisions will cause harm or not.

I think it's a silly thing to aspire to in the modern form of "harm none" however in it's original form I think it's actually a very good guideline. Smiley
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« Reply #9: November 06, 2007, 07:10:47 pm »

Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

Although I am not following a specific religion at the moment, I still have a set of moral codes I try to live my life by. The moral way I live my life has one religion it comes from, rather, it is many religions "codes" that I do my best to uphold. Here are my three biggest ones:

1) Honor
2) Selflessness
3) Love for others
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« Reply #10: November 06, 2007, 10:34:05 pm »

Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

Doesn't Jesus's coming in the NT kind of cancel out the OT laws? .. Eh. Nevermind. My head hurts. Lol.


My moral code is pretty simple.. and crude.

1) Don't harm or kill people.
2) Don't have sex with those you shouldn't.
3) Don't put things in your mouth if you don't know what they'll do to you (mentally, physically, etc.).
4) Take responsibility for your actions.

Its not entirely religious-based, mostly just own personal.. motto?
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« Reply #11: November 07, 2007, 01:34:23 am »

Although I am not following a specific religion at the moment, I still have a set of moral codes I try to live my life by. The moral way I live my life has one religion it comes from, rather, it is many religions "codes" that I do my best to uphold. Here are my three biggest ones:

1) Honor
2) Selflessness
3) Love for others

Mine are similar, but I know exactly where they came from: shamelessly cribbed from William Kauffman's The Faith of a Heretic. They are: courage, honesty, humility (or, as he says, humbition), and love. I combine this with the Kemetic concept of upholding Ma'at and with a code-of-honor worldview derived from many too many kung fu movies.

I think sometimes it's difficult to articulate a moral code ... it can be like a capital-M Mystery, where you either grok it or don't.
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« Reply #12: November 07, 2007, 06:49:41 am »



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I think sometimes it's difficult to articulate a moral code ... it can be like a capital-M Mystery, where you either grok it or don't.


I've always liked Marcus Aurelius' quote (I'm paraphrasing here) about us humans only having two obligations in this life: To see things as they truly are, and to try to make the world a better place. I also like many of the Delphic Maxims.

The problem is, I sometimes find it incredibly difficult to live up standards like those...and I often don't, unfortunately.
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« Reply #13: November 07, 2007, 08:09:44 am »

Hello all,
A while back I was having a conversation with a (typically non-judgemental) Christian friend of mine who said to me that she believed a religion could not truely be a religion unless it had a set of moral codes. She said her moral codes were the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus in the New.
Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

Iactually to some extent disagree with her, because moral codes are not necessarily religious.  Many atheists do just fine with nonreligious moral codes.  Now many religions have similar moral codes to what some atheists have, but the moral code itself is not intrinsic to the religion.  What the deity wants is intrinsic to the religion, but that may be different than a moral code. 
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« Reply #14: November 07, 2007, 10:12:50 am »

A while back I was having a conversation with a (typically non-judgemental) Christian friend of mine who said to me that she believed a religion could not truely be a religion unless it had a set of moral codes. She said her moral codes were the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus in the New. Consequently I am wondering, in your own religion do you have any moral code(s) that you try to stand by?

Now, I disagree. Yes, most religions come with a moral code but it’s the same moral code that common sense would naturally develop in any civilization. “Thou shall not kill” and “Thou shall not steal” would develop in any ordered and civilized society. What most people are speaking about here, in my opinion, is dogma. That which is specific to that religion such as dietary habits, how to pray, social details, etc. To me, a moral code really shouldn’t have anything to do with religion. It’s interesting that no matter which religion you are looking at they have a moral code that looks similar to each other in some fashion. A moral code develops out of society, not religion.
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