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« Topic Start: November 22, 2007, 05:49:12 pm »

Ok, just a quick question about prayer beads. Roll Eyes
  • Do you use them in meditation? why? why not?
  • How do you use them?
  • Are they helpful?
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« Reply #1: November 22, 2007, 06:28:39 pm »

Do you use them in meditation? why? why not?

I don't for several reasons. First, I don't have a deity that I pray to right now. Second, when I did, I found repeating the same prayer over and over again was meaningless and distracting. Third, it seemed just too Catholic. I don't like adapting things that were meant for another religion into mine. And fourth, I kept dropping them. Smiley

When I did use them, I went through a prayer set, one prayer for each bead. I had three different colors, so I did a prayer for each color.

So I didn't really find them helpful, in the end. That might not hold true for you, though.
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« Reply #2: November 22, 2007, 06:49:24 pm »

. Third, it seemed just too Catholic. I don't like adapting things that were meant for another religion into mine.

my understanding is that several religions use the repeating prayer idea, with the beads for counting, not just catholics. Hindus  ANd the catholics may not have been the first.  Apparently there is a gospel ban on 'vain repetitions". 

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/114/story_11442_1.html

not that this counters any other reason why you may not use them, including they don't work for you, but just pointing out that they aren't just catholic.
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« Reply #3: November 22, 2007, 07:25:29 pm »

not that this counters any other reason why you may not use them, including they don't work for you, but just pointing out that they aren't just catholic.

But since most of my associations with prayer beads are with catholicism, it still just doesn't feel pagan enough to me. *shrugs*
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« Reply #4: November 22, 2007, 08:02:32 pm »

Ok, just a quick question about prayer beads. Roll Eyes
  • Do you use them in meditation? why? why not?
  • How do you use them?
  • Are they helpful?

I agree with Mithril that prayer beads just feel too Catholic for me. However, I use something very similar with the same concept behind it. I bought myself some regular old cord and then put different things onto it, to make a sort of necklace/bracelet type thing. The things I put onto it mean a lot to me- such as a crystal for protection, the first pentacle I ever bought from a little market in Germany, a heart shaped piece of wood...you get the idea. I use this as a sort of meditation technique, just by running the different objects through my fingers over and over. I find it very relaxing, and an easy way to get into a meditative state.
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« Reply #5: November 22, 2007, 11:31:45 pm »

Do you use them in meditation? why? why not?

There's two different ways I've been taught to use them.

I was first taught to use them during training, as a way of measuring distractability during meditation work. You have a string of beads (it can have a symbolically appropriate number, but it doesn't have: the only requirement is that the beads are large enough to count easily between the fingers.) Meditate. Each time your focus fades, move your fingers one bead down.

This both gives you a measure of (hopeful!) improvement over time - you can see far more clearly that, say, a month ago, you had 10 distractions in 10 minutes, and this week, you have 3. But it also teaches you to stay in trance state with something in your hands, and with a certain level of conscious movement. (I've parlayed this into having a pen and paper in my lap during personal work: I keep my eyes closed, but am good enough at writing/sketching stuff I can get useful notes down on paper even so.)

The other one - and the one I'm slowly working on collecting beads for - uses a bead for each different prayer. The construction method I'm interested in heavily influenced by Donald Engstrom's work. There's an example of one of his prayer bead strings (and he has multiple ones) in _The Pagan Book of Living and Dying_  but there's another person's interpretation with some quotes from that book here: http://kalimountain.tripod.com/circlebeads.html online.

Basically, you have a bunch of beads (and unless you want the same prayer repeated, use different beads.) You have one (short: one line is common) prayer for each bead. So, for example, some strands I've seen basically set up a circle at the beginning, by inviting the elements or quarters, then specific allies, deities, etc. I've seen strands to remember beloved dead, for daily prayers, for ongoing long-term workings. For everything except the daily ones, it's common to *not* use them every day - but maybe every week, or new and full moon, or whatever else seems appropriate.

I'm not currently doing this, but it's been an ongoing project to collect beads for it, and I'm pretty sure it'll turn into actual practical work sometime in the next year or two.

Neither of these uses feels particularly Catholic to me : they're different methods of using small round objects to organise one's prayers. You don't have necessarily the same straight repetition of either Catholic rosaries or Buddhist prayer beads; there's a lot of design potential for what structures matter most to you.
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« Reply #6: November 23, 2007, 12:12:18 am »

The things I put onto it mean a lot to me- such as a crystal for protection, the first pentacle I ever bought from a little market in Germany, a heart shaped piece of wood.

Thats a really nice idea, i like the thought of personalizing it a bit.

Basically, you have a bunch of beads (and unless you want the same prayer repeated, use different beads.) You have one (short: one line is common) prayer for each bead. So, for example, some strands I've seen basically set up a circle at the beginning, by inviting the elements or quarters, then specific allies, deities, etc. I've seen strands to remember beloved dead, for daily prayers, for ongoing long-term workings. For everything except the daily ones, it's common to *not* use them every day - but maybe every week, or new and full moon, or whatever else seems appropriate.

Neither of these uses feels particularly Catholic to me : they're different methods of using small round objects to organise one's prayers. You don't have necessarily the same straight repetition of either Catholic rosaries or Buddhist prayer beads; there's a lot of design potential for what structures matter most to you.

Thats sort of what I'm thinking of doing with the beads now, so thanks for the explanation (it helped clear things up Smiley)...

I was wondering before if prayer beads, in a pagan context, were basically the same as rosary beads and it sounds like they can be as different or similar as i choose, so yay Cheesy

Thanks everyone
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« Reply #7: November 24, 2007, 08:51:39 am »

Ok, just a quick question about prayer beads. Roll Eyes
  • Do you use them in meditation? why? why not?
  • How do you use them?
  • Are they helpful?
I use beads and I make them. I love the meditation that the beads allow me to fall into and I love the feeling of safety I get when they are on. I suppose it helps that I spent a great deal of time choosing the beads for them and making them, it makes them a part of me as opposed to just a set of beads. I also make beads for others, but they come to me with any beads they already have and they come with me to the store and explain what numbers and concepts are important to them so I hope that those beads also hold a piece of them in the way that mine hold a piece of me.
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« Reply #8: November 24, 2007, 09:54:36 am »

Ok, just a quick question about prayer beads. Roll Eyes
  • Do you use them in meditation? why? why not?
  • How do you use them?
I use them and make them. I have a couple of necklaces of prayer beads I made that all the beads have specific meanings to me and I use them to remind me of the things I have lived through to get where I am and to stay focused on spirit in meditation
  • Are they helpful?
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« Reply #9: November 25, 2007, 02:28:51 am »

I was first taught to use them during training, as a way of measuring distractability during meditation work. You have a string of beads (it can have a symbolically appropriate number, but it doesn't have: the only requirement is that the beads are large enough to count easily between the fingers.) Meditate. Each time your focus fades, move your fingers one bead down.

This both gives you a measure of (hopeful!) improvement over time - you can see far more clearly that, say, a month ago, you had 10 distractions in 10 minutes, and this week, you have 3. But it also teaches you to stay in trance state with something in your hands, and with a certain level of conscious movement.

I loved this idea so much that I just made myself a string of beads to use for this purpose!  Thanks.  Smiley
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