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« Reply #15: November 24, 2007, 04:39:20 pm »

Ok, I was also referring to the whole "He's a sun dancer" thing as well. However, I have looked up sun dance and though it makes little sense to me I will let it slide sense Mandi is here and could possibly clarify as well.

Not really much I can add outside of what a googol provides, just that from the contexts I've seen it used in the dancer dances for a prayer or a vision to be granted should he tear free of the pole. 
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« Reply #16: November 24, 2007, 05:13:16 pm »

ok....well i posted this because it might be useful to someone...wether or not Syrbal like'd it or not..dont concern me...let have fun  here, and learn from each other!...ok?
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Ok, we can either "have fun here" what ever the hell that is supposed to mean...OR we can "learn" here.  They sometimes are mutually exclusive experiences.  To learn something means one must have something to teach, and for me, that means information needs to be accurate....not "fun" necessarily.  The whole "take what you like and leave the rest" strikes me as a pretty sloppy operating system for learning, since one cannot, for example pick and choose at any specific thing and still remain intellectually true to the whole.  For another example perhaps more specific to the subject at hand---shamanism---that usually involves an ordeal phase that is pretty intense. So how does the concept of 'having fun here' really play into that part? 

I also do not understand an earlier post wherein you said your mentor never said he was a shaman, but since you both were "in recovery" you kept "open minds"??  I don't really know what that means or why it  counts as an answer to the kinds of questions others asked you. 

I'm still trying to figure out what the prettified story was 'for' exactly....what is it that was supposed to teach us? 
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« Reply #17: November 24, 2007, 05:15:30 pm »

alright! well said!

Well said?  Those were questions and that is not an answer?

Do you know what a sun dance is?  Is your mentor a guy in the UK who sells drums? 
And what does this have to do with American Indian spirituality if he is?

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« Reply #18: November 24, 2007, 05:43:35 pm »

a little of both, but mostly i was paraphrasing, from the book...its a really good book...my sponcer is American indian, and he suggested this book to me. hes a Sun Dancer


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« Reply #19: November 24, 2007, 08:29:55 pm »


The comment I made about a week ago in regards to the issues I have with the way that some Pagans and Neo-Pagans treat the various strands of Native American religious life . . .

well, this post is a perfect example of that phenomenon.
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« Reply #20: November 24, 2007, 09:21:30 pm »

alright! well said!

This thread is so full of non-sequiturs it's hilarious!  Cheesy
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« Reply #21: November 24, 2007, 10:25:11 pm »

The comment I made about a week ago in regards to the issues I have with the way that some Pagans and Neo-Pagans treat the various strands of Native American religious life . . .

well, this post is a perfect example of that phenomenon.

Oh I agree.
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« Reply #22: November 25, 2007, 09:30:04 am »

alright! well said!

I'm guessing that was an example of your taking what you want and leaving the rest.  A glib version of 'up your's this is that ever annoying 'rest' people are always badgering me with.
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« Reply #23: November 25, 2007, 09:50:37 am »

I'm guessing that was an example of your taking what you want and leaving the rest.  A glib version of 'up your's this is that ever annoying 'rest' people are always badgering me with.


I think it's a case of it looks like English and sounds like English, but nevar isn't actually speaking English.  Tongue Either that or the rest of us aren't!
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« Reply #24: November 25, 2007, 10:40:27 am »

I think it's a case of it looks like English and sounds like English, but nevar isn't actually speaking English.  Tongue Either that or the rest of us aren't!

"take what you want and leave the rest" is a 12 step program slogan. My understanding of it is, "if people say stuff that bugs you, let it go and concentrate on the stuff  you hear that is meaningful to you, personally". But an underlying meaning is also that the stuff that bugs you is the stuff you really need to pay attention to and try to learn why you are reacting so strongly, and if possible, "name it, claim it, and dump it" (yet another 12 step slogan).
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« Reply #25: November 25, 2007, 12:08:57 pm »

"take what you want and leave the rest" is a 12 step program slogan. My understanding of it is, "if people say stuff that bugs you, let it go and concentrate on the stuff  you hear that is meaningful to you, personally". But an underlying meaning is also that the stuff that bugs you is the stuff you really need to pay attention to and try to learn why you are reacting so strongly, and if possible, "name it, claim it, and dump it" (yet another 12 step slogan).

Thanks for this explanation, it makes it easier for me to understand the context of the "buffet table" mentality I have been struggling with on several threads!  I would think that might be a worthwhile approach in many areas of life (if in recovery), but in metaphysics?  In philosophy?
In spiritual pursuit of any sort?  Not so much...a bit like practicing medicine w/o taking every class.
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« Reply #26: November 25, 2007, 01:34:15 pm »

name it, claim it, and dump it

I needed to see that today, ma'am. Thank you!
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« Reply #27: November 25, 2007, 04:06:50 pm »

Thanks for this explanation, it makes it easier for me to understand the context of the "buffet table" mentality I have been struggling with on several threads!  I would think that might be a worthwhile approach in many areas of life (if in recovery), but in metaphysics?  In philosophy?
In spiritual pursuit of any sort?  Not so much...a bit like practicing medicine w/o taking every class.

well, right. In the context of a big 12 step meeting, it is not unusual for someone to share something and not expect (or even want) anyone to respond or argue or directly comment. In fact such comments are generally frowned on, and called "cross talk". So certainly, not the same context as this particular forum.
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« Reply #28: November 25, 2007, 04:08:40 pm »

needed to see that today, ma'am. Thank you!

heh...you're welcome....I think.... Wink
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« Reply #29: November 25, 2007, 06:45:56 pm »

heh...you're welcome....I think.... Wink

Please do be welcome! Sometimes I need clonked over the head like that! Cheesy
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