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« Reply #15: January 02, 2008, 01:48:57 pm »

What a bunch of wankers.

Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use

"Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html
Egads, what jackasses!

So, back in the day, when we made cassette recordings from vinyl since albums weren't portable, they're saying this was illegal too?

This is precisely the reason it's been years since I bought a new CD, and I've never paid for a download.  (Never would, either.  I just don't trust MP3s - or computers.  If I pay for music, I'm damn well gonna have a hard copy.) 

I'll continue to buy my CDs used, thankyouverymuch.  I'm sure they'll try to crack down on that soon, too...
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« Reply #16: January 02, 2008, 02:09:06 pm »

A quick google got me an article from MSNBC (back in 2003, so no claims on what might be happening with it now):

Yeh, when I've got time I really need to do some extensive research on this matter, methinks.  And maybe buid myself an RFID Zapper.

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Looks like at least at the time, the plan was to use it to track inventory inside a library, with passive chips that would be deactivated when books were checked out, so that they could not be used to track people or anything like that.  (And although I don't think it's explicitly stated, it looks like this is something that individual libraries would be putting in place, not publishers, so books that you buy wouldn't have the chips.)  Which seems kind of like a good use of the technology to me (in fact, that was the first place my mind went to on reading your post), though the article does also make good points about potential vulnerabilities and abuses of the system.

See, I might've been okay w/a use like that pre-Patriot Act, but now...  Gov't and corporate intrusion in peoples' personal lives is really getting out of hand, and anymore I find myself against anything that makes that intrusion easier for them.  Like the National Animal Identification System.  I'm against that for multiple reasons, privacy being only the tip of the iceberg w/that.
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« Reply #17: January 03, 2008, 12:22:19 am »

So, back in the day, when we made cassette recordings from vinyl since albums weren't portable, they're saying this was illegal too?
Grey area.  Taping for yourself was conceded (grudgingly, by the recording-industry folks) to be legit - I think I'd rather say "not illegal" rather than "legal" - but copies for friends weren't really.  Unregulatable, of course, except by the one means the industry did succeed in having applied:  a surcharge on blank cassette tapes.

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« Reply #18: January 03, 2008, 07:55:46 am »

Unregulatable, of course, except by the one means the industry did succeed in having applied:  a surcharge on blank cassette tapes.

I was around for that particular uproar.  I've always had a private suspicion that they were responsible for djs suddenly starting to talk over the beginnings or endings of song - just to make taping from the radio less effective.

Mind, I have a lot of old cassettes with 'dj patter' on them, and it is part of the nostalgia when I dig them out and play them. Cheesy

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« Reply #19: January 03, 2008, 11:42:30 am »


I was around for that particular uproar.  I've always had a private suspicion that they were responsible for djs suddenly starting to talk over the beginnings or endings of song - just to make taping from the radio less effective.

Y'know, it sounds like such a petty thing for them to do, but you may be right.  Since iPods and digital music came out, there's been a LOT less of that crap.
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« Reply #20: January 03, 2008, 12:50:09 pm »


We're All Thieves to the RIAA

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You buy a CD. You rip a digital copy so you can put it on your Apple (Nasdaq: AAPL) iPod or Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) Zune. You're not worried; you paid premium price for the CD. You're not some lawless pirate. You wouldn't dream of sharing your music on a P2P network.

HAHAHAHAHA!  More signs they'll be kissing their sorry asses goodbye in relatively short order...unless they get a gov't bailout like the auto and airline industries so frequently do.
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« Reply #21: January 03, 2008, 12:57:40 pm »

Grey area.  Taping for yourself was conceded (grudgingly, by the recording-industry folks) to be legit - I think I'd rather say "not illegal" rather than "legal" - but copies for friends weren't really.  Unregulatable, of course, except by the one means the industry did succeed in having applied:  a surcharge on blank cassette tapes.

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So, what I don't understand is how is downloading something to your computer so you can play it on your iPod different from putting something on a cassette tape so it plays in your car stereo?  Granted, the guy in question also did illegal file sharing (which equates in my mind with making that cassette copy for a friend...  or a lot of friends...) but they're raising this additional stink about just having copies on his computer of music he purchased legally.
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« Reply #22: January 03, 2008, 01:28:07 pm »

but they're raising this additional stink about just having copies on his computer of music he purchased legally.

THAT is where I have the huge problem, too.
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« Reply #23: January 03, 2008, 09:36:25 pm »

So, what I don't understand is how is downloading something to your computer so you can play it on your iPod different from putting something on a cassette tape so it plays in your car stereo?  Granted, the guy in question also did illegal file sharing (which equates in my mind with making that cassette copy for a friend...  or a lot of friends...) but they're raising this additional stink about just having copies on his computer of music he purchased legally.
Interestingly, my mind drifted idly to this thread earlier today, and I happened to think of the answer to what you're asking, before I had any idea you'd asked it. Smiley

What the RIAA would really like to do, is get the system rigged so that it works like proprietary software:  customers buy nothing more than the right to use those bits'n'bytes, subject to rigid restrictions on how they can use them.  Take a look at the EULAs for much of "your" software - what you own isn't the software, it's a license to use that software (that's the L in "EULA"), and it frequently contains clauses limiting the number of devices you can install it on, and/or restricting the number of copies you can make (very often, you can make one backup copy but are not legally permitted to use it unless your main copy goes toes up).

The RIAA is enamored of this idea; they think if they get it applied to music, they will become as rich as Bill Gates.

Me, I see Nemesis sneaking up in their blind spot, bearing a fiery sword whose name is Open Source.

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