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« Reply #15: March 30, 2007, 07:15:36 pm »

As far as we know, the ancient Celts celebrated the fire festivals (aka the quarter days or cross quarter days):  Samhain, Imbolc, Beltain, Lughnassadh.  There is no evidence that they celebrated the solar festivals (equinoxes and solstices), but there is also no evidence that they did NOT celebrate them.

I poked through the FAQ quickly,  but bookmarked for later in-depth reading. One thing that strikes me is that they talk a lot about prayers and offerings and not too much about ritual... but CRs are always adamant that they are not Wiccan. And yet... I haven't seen anyone do a point by point comparison of how the two are different. Does the CR LJ community have sample rituals there at all, do you know? I'd love to be able to do a side-by-side comparison of CR/Wicca/and ADF druid rituals to see what the differences are.

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« Reply #16: March 30, 2007, 07:47:03 pm »

I poked through the FAQ quickly,  but bookmarked for later in-depth reading. One thing that strikes me is that they talk a lot about prayers and offerings and not too much about ritual... but CRs are always adamant that they are not Wiccan. And yet... I haven't seen anyone do a point by point comparison of how the two are different. Does the CR LJ community have sample rituals there at all, do you know? I'd love to be able to do a side-by-side comparison of CR/Wicca/and ADF druid rituals to see what the differences are.

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Not being a string CR or a druid or Wiccan, I can't really help you.   Smiley

However, this section of the CR FAQ might help a bit, even though it's written a bit flippantly:
http://paganachd.com/faq/howdifferent.html#notwiccan

This also might be of interest:
http://homepage.eircom.net/~shae/chapter13.htm
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« Reply #17: March 30, 2007, 10:47:52 pm »

That second link looks promising... I've bookmarked it. The CR FAQ, well, I think they're suffering from "Not-Wicca-itis", but I have that bookmarked to read thoroughly too. Perhaps that's one of the reasons I haven't been really drawn to a reconstructionist path... too much rigid defining and not enough actual doing.

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« Reply #18: March 31, 2007, 12:59:52 am »

I poked through the FAQ quickly,  but bookmarked for later in-depth reading. One thing that strikes me is that they talk a lot about prayers and offerings and not too much about ritual... but CRs are always adamant that they are not Wiccan. And yet... I haven't seen anyone do a point by point comparison of how the two are different. Does the CR LJ community have sample rituals there at all, do you know? I'd love to be able to do a side-by-side comparison of CR/Wicca/and ADF druid rituals to see what the differences are.

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There's not much by way of standardized ritual, really- at least, I've never seen any.
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« Reply #19: March 31, 2007, 01:27:41 am »

There's not much by way of standardized ritual, really- at least, I've never seen any.

I do know one of the FAQ contributors mentioned on her site she wasn't going to post ritual details because she didn't want people grabbing them without context.
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« Reply #20: March 31, 2007, 01:41:39 am »

Check out this web-site called Earth Calendar.
http://www.earthcalendar.net/index.php
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« Reply #21: March 31, 2007, 09:27:17 am »

The CR FAQ, well, I think they're suffering from "Not-Wicca-itis"
In my experience, Celtic is the recon path that is most subject to "Not-Wicca-Itis".  That's understandable, since Wicca is so often (mis)identified as Celtic, but that doesn't excuse the flawed scholarship committed for the sake of differentiation.  Why Wicca is Not Celtic - which is the closest thing I know to the point-by-point comparison you asked for - shows considerable ignorance about Wicca; I habitually don't recommend it, but it does address some of what you seem to be looking for, and you've got the background to keep it in perspective.

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« Reply #22: March 31, 2007, 11:32:19 am »

In my experience, Celtic is the recon path that is most subject to "Not-Wicca-Itis".  That's understandable, since Wicca is so often (mis)identified as Celtic, but that doesn't excuse the flawed scholarship committed for the sake of differentiation.  Why Wicca is Not Celtic - which is the closest thing I know to the point-by-point comparison you asked for - shows considerable ignorance about Wicca; I habitually don't recommend it, but it does address some of what you seem to be looking for, and you've got the background to keep it in perspective.

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Clannada na Gadelica is a poor resource all around, ime.
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« Reply #23: March 31, 2007, 01:18:08 pm »

That second link looks promising... I've bookmarked it.

FWIW, I like the entire "Land, Sea and Sky" e-book, of which that link is a chapter:  http://homepage.eircom.net/~shae/

Some chapters are better than others, but, on the whole, it's pretty good.  I wish it was footnoted, though, instead of just having a list of resources at the end.
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Clannada na Gadelica is a poor resource all around, ime.
Yeah, that's how it struck me, too.  Worth keeping in my (extensive) bookmark collection in terms of "what folks in Pagandom are up to", but not what you'd call an educational resource.  The essay I mentioned, for example, I see as having value in "history" terms - it's history in itself, in that it was much read and talked about when it first came out, and it casts a good bit of light on the hostility that sometimes occurs between "classic" neoPaganism and Celtic Pagans.

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« Reply #27: April 06, 2007, 09:41:00 pm »

Man. First SPAM recipe on the new board.

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Oh, yummy!  Coconut is my favorite!

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« Reply #28: April 06, 2007, 10:12:23 pm »

Man. First SPAM recipe on the new board.

Coconut Yam CriSPAM

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Damn!  And I missed the original post!  (sometimes those almost make reading the recipes worth it Cheesy)

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« Reply #29: April 06, 2007, 11:28:36 pm »

Damn!  And I missed the original post!  (sometimes those almost make reading the recipes worth it Cheesy)

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Edited to add:  One hour and seven minutes.  Does that put her in second place behind Elder Ravenfire?

I think it does, but I'm not the official timekeeper. I know that one was fast.
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