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« Reply #15: January 03, 2008, 09:10:27 pm »

So, who is Anu? 

Good question.

A primal Irish Goddess. Has a bountiful aspect and a maleficent aspect. Grand mother of Ecne a very old Irish God of knowledge and enlightenment.

For anything else you would have to sort out which references are really Anu and which are really Danu.
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« Reply #16: January 03, 2008, 11:21:05 pm »

Good question.

A primal Irish Goddess. Has a bountiful aspect and a maleficent aspect. Grand mother of Ecne a very old Irish God of knowledge and enlightenment.

For anything else you would have to sort out which references are really Anu and which are really Danu.

And, just to muddy the waters further, I believe I've seen both Anu and Aine linked to Brighid.

A lot of the confusion stems, I think, from the fact that many of the deity names that we think of as proper names are actually titles (like "High One" or "Shining One" or "Exalted One") that have come to be used as proper names.  So it's possible that one deity *could* have been known by several different titles, which, over the years, became like names.

That's why it's important to look at the attributes of each deity, as well as the name.  Which can also be confusing, of course, since we have so little to go on, what with practically no written records.   Undecided
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« Reply #17: January 04, 2008, 12:36:23 am »


And, just to muddy the waters further, I believe I've seen both Anu and Aine linked to Brighid.

Then you add to that multiple spellings of the same name (or is it the same name?) and people being named after gods etc and it all gets very difficult to sort out. Anu, Ana; Danu, Dana etc

I have just now seen that James MacKillop's Dictionary of Celtic Mythology says that The Morrigan is "probably an emanation of the Irish goddess Ana" and he also equates Ana with Danu.   Undecided (modified to fix spelling of authors name)

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A lot of the confusion stems, I think, from the fact that many of the deity names that we think of as proper names are actually titles (like "High One" or "Shining One" or "Exalted One") that have come to be used as proper names.  So it's possible that one deity *could* have been known by several different titles, which, over the years, became like names.

You only have to look at the number of titles the JCI Old Testament god id known by - none of which are his actual name - to see how this is likely.


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That's why it's important to look at the attributes of each deity, as well as the name.  Which can also be confusing, of course, since we have so little to go on, what with practically no written records.   Undecided

Look at lots of different sources for the attributes too. Then ask others what they think and then after all that UPG I guess.

Not only is there so little written material but there is so much "kenning" in what is written that if you don't already know what it is about it is very difficult to understand what it is about
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« Reply #18: January 06, 2008, 11:01:19 am »

So, who is Anu? 

Anu is probably derived from Áine, a goddess popular in Munster and has strong earth and solar associations. 'The Paps of Anu' are actually associated with Áine by locals. Anu might be an older spelling of her name or an early epithet.

It's is my UPG that Áine/ Anu, Danu and Morrigan are separate and distinct deities.
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« Reply #19: January 06, 2008, 06:03:02 pm »

Anu is probably derived from Áine, a goddess popular in Munster and has strong earth and solar associations. 'The Paps of Anu' are actually associated with Áine by locals. Anu might be an older spelling of her name or an early epithet.

It's is my UPG that Áine/ Anu, Danu and Morrigan are separate and distinct deities.

Alternately Aine is possibly derived from Anu who is a very old Goddess. Depends who you listen to. It has also been put forward (etymology)  that Aine was originally a sun goddess. In which case neither is derived form the other.
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« Reply #20: January 06, 2008, 09:17:04 pm »

Alternately Aine is possibly derived from Anu who is a very old Goddess. Depends who you listen to. It has also been put forward (etymology)  that Aine was originally a sun goddess. In which case neither is derived form the other.


I'm sorry, Áine derived from Anu is what I should have said. Tongue

She appears to have both strong earth/ sovereignty of the land and sun connections. I've also heard it put forth that her sister Grian is her solar aspect while Áine is the earth/ land aspect, similar to Brighid's threefold aspects.

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« Reply #21: January 06, 2008, 09:33:14 pm »

I'm sorry, Áine derived from Anu is what I should have said. Tongue

*Rubs head* It appears that I have a lot of studying to do.  It was kinda cool to think of TM as related to Anu, because I feel connected to both of them (I don't know much about Anu yet, she is still at the back of my mind).  I was researching TM, when the associate to Anu came up and I swear I heard crows calling...I thought maybe there was something to that.  Maybe TM is pushing me toward Her or something, I don't know.  I do know there is a lesson in there somewhere...there always is.

Is Grian another name for Igrainne?
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« Reply #22: January 06, 2008, 09:54:14 pm »

Is Grian another name for Igrainne?

I've never heard the name Igrainne- where have you come across it?
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« Reply #23: January 06, 2008, 09:57:05 pm »

I've never heard the name Igrainne- where have you come across it?

Don't laugh  Grin I heard it in The Mists of Avalon, but heard it somewhere on one of those websites with the Celtic Goddesses displayed in a list format.  I was just wondering...
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« Reply #24: January 06, 2008, 09:58:15 pm »

I've never heard the name Igrainne- where have you come across it?

And isn't there a "Celtic" Goddess names "Grainne"?
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« Reply #25: January 06, 2008, 10:10:46 pm »

And isn't there a "Celtic" Goddess names "Grainne"?

Grainne is mentioned in the myths- the Fenian Cycle, to be exact. But she's not a goddess; she's the daughter of Cormac Mac Airt.
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« Reply #26: January 06, 2008, 10:11:59 pm »

Don't laugh  Grin I heard it in The Mists of Avalon, but heard it somewhere on one of those websites with the Celtic Goddesses displayed in a list format.  I was just wondering...

Unfortunately a lot of those websites pull from unreliable sources. I've never come across the name before, myself.
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« Reply #27: January 06, 2008, 11:13:17 pm »

I've never heard the name Igrainne- where have you come across it?

I always assumed whenever I've run across it that it was another spelling for Ygraine - from the Arthurian myth.
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« Reply #28: January 07, 2008, 11:29:05 am »

I always assumed whenever I've run across it that it was another spelling for Ygraine - from the Arthurian myth.

Ditto. The Anglicized spelling or what.
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« Reply #29: January 08, 2008, 10:03:58 pm »

I've never heard the name Igrainne- where have you come across it?

From Arthurian legend...his mother Ygraine...one of the various spellings I've come across.

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