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Author Topic: A Scar on the Face of East Lansing -rant  (Read 8913 times)
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« Reply #15: January 19, 2008, 12:01:06 pm »


but then there is always:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WikiOntarioPlace_Toronto_ID.jpg

(where they sometimes play said movies and in IMAX yet.)


OOOhhhh... a mini Epcot Center.

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« Reply #16: January 19, 2008, 12:09:24 pm »

No offense meant but what the hell?!?!?! Shocked Shocked

Makes me wonder how many pilots will end up getting blinded by the flash of the sun off that thing as they fly. All I wanna know is what were they thinking? Or were they? Huh Huh


Clearly not.  I'm not even sure how it will fit into the space alloted. 

Here's another glimpse at what it's up against:
http://quetwo.deviantart.com/art/Beaumont-Tower-9184340
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« Reply #17: January 19, 2008, 12:30:35 pm »

The design winner for the new Michigan State University art museum:

I just rembered East Lansing's beloved parking ramp!  How will it compete with this new art building:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/o_caritas/125791739/

We call it 'The Hamster Cage'.
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« Reply #18: January 19, 2008, 01:13:10 pm »

I just rembered East Lansing's beloved parking ramp!  How will it compete with this new art building:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/o_caritas/125791739/

We call it 'The Hamster Cage'.

Man. It's a Habitrail.
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« Reply #19: January 19, 2008, 01:55:44 pm »

I really like Gehry's stuff. Some of it is just absolutely phenomenal.

Cool, sure...for a piece of art.  I guess I'm just too practical.  I don't see the point of a building that leaks like sieve, and is cold and impractical inside.  I will admit, I like the Sky Church (been to several shows there), but the rest of the place fails at what it tries to do--get people excited about music.

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« Reply #20: January 19, 2008, 04:13:52 pm »

Cool, sure...for a piece of art.  I guess I'm just too practical.  I don't see the point of a building that leaks like sieve, and is cold and impractical inside.  I will admit, I like the Sky Church (been to several shows there), but the rest of the place fails at what it tries to do--get people excited about music.

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I saw a documentary that was talking about the same sorts of problems with a lot of Frank Lloyd Wright buildings.

However, I think Gehry had the right attitude when people bitched about the Guggenheim. His attitude was the art should be good enough to stand up to whatever kind of building it was in. If it's not great, it doesn't matter what sort of wall it hangs on.
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« Reply #21: January 19, 2008, 04:52:38 pm »

I saw a documentary that was talking about the same sorts of problems with a lot of Frank Lloyd Wright buildings.

Yup.  Wright failed to see how his buildings might not work in some climates/environments.  He liked his designs so well, he shoehorned them in where they didn't belong.  But at least Wright had the excuse of being an architectural pioneer.  Gehry's got no excuse.

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However, I think Gehry had the right attitude when people bitched about the Guggenheim. His attitude was the art should be good enough to stand up to whatever kind of building it was in. If it's not great, it doesn't matter what sort of wall it hangs on.

I honestly care less about the way the EMP looks than about its inability to function as a building.  And yeah, as a piece of art I think it's ugly, but I really wouldn't care as much if it actually worked.  I'm afraid I disagree with Gehry.  There's entirely too much form over function in the world of "pure" architecture--too much waste and excess.  I admire architects who can create something integral, functional, yet interesting.  Gehry's EMP fails on two of these counts.

But, then, my architectural preferences run in the mud-and-sticks vein, as you know.  I suspect I'll never really grok the drive to build such things...

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« Reply #22: January 19, 2008, 05:55:36 pm »

But, then, my architectural preferences run in the mud-and-sticks vein, as you know.  I suspect I'll never really grok the drive to build such things...

Brina

I'd totally forgotten that. And yeah, you're absolutely right. I suspect you can appreciate it on some level, but not at one you'd be happy living with. Smiley
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« Reply #23: January 19, 2008, 08:37:38 pm »

Oh, that's nuthin'.  Meet the Experience Music Project.  I heard a critic remark that it looks like a pile of discarded fast food wrappers.  Wink
It looks to me like it was meant to look like a pile of discarded food wrappers, or something along those lines.  Sculpture-as-social-commentary kind of thing.

I'll concur with whoever (Randall?) said it was visually interesting - there's certainly lots for the vision functions of the brain to do.  It lacks grace, though, and any sort of unity-of-design.  My personal sense of esthetics isn't tickled.

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« Reply #24: January 19, 2008, 08:52:07 pm »


ACK!!! OMG NO!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #25: January 20, 2008, 01:50:53 am »

It looks to me like it was meant to look like a pile of discarded food wrappers, or something along those lines.  Sculpture-as-social-commentary kind of thing.

Okay.  But unless you're a sadist, make it SCULPTURE, not a building people are expected to occupy/use.  But like I said, I'm surely in the minority.  I don't "get" pure architecture.  I'm just too practical.

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« Reply #26: January 21, 2008, 01:46:04 am »

Okay.  But unless you're a sadist, make it SCULPTURE, not a building people are expected to occupy/use.  But like I said, I'm surely in the minority.  I don't "get" pure architecture.  I'm just too practical.
Keep in mind my earlier comment about "architects who think they're abstractionist sculptors".  I'm with you here; I think the idea of architecture being "pure art", unfettered by the petty quotidian demands of the philistine masses*, is a postmodernist fantasy.  Yes, it would be convenient if we didn't have to live in the real world, but we do have to.

For me, something that performs its intended function well is beautiful, even if it's esthetically unappealing.

(*My translation of the moan-and-drips of many "aahtists" over the years.  I say it better than they do, because I have a better and more disciplined grasp of language as a tool. Wink)

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