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Author Topic: Modern Human Needs and Hellenic Religion  (Read 4216 times)
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« Topic Start: March 26, 2007, 07:39:08 pm »

People today are not the people of Ancient Greece. The world has changed in major ways since the golden age of Athens. While many of our needs are the same as those of people in ancient Greece (or anywhere/anywhen else, for that matter), our culture and world are different in so many ways from that of ancient Greece.

What modern needs to you expect a modern Hellenic religion to meet?
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« Reply #1: March 26, 2007, 08:02:22 pm »

What modern needs to you expect a modern Hellenic religion to meet?

The thing that I'm most looking for, personally, is a form of practice that can be used by an individual whose family does not necessarily follow said modern Hellenic religion.  I'd also include small groups, like a couple or a single family with no religious community nearby to share a practice with.  A lot of the stricter recon stuff seems to be geared toward larger communities, and while maybe it could be adapted I haven't seen a lot of guidance or ideas about doing so.

I think also the festival calendar of ancient Greece...  maybe doesn't make much sense for a lot of us today?  So something that does make more sense and is a little easier to follow?

I think, for the record, you've got a good start on both of these in your "first stab" post.  Smiley
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« Reply #2: March 27, 2007, 04:52:02 pm »

TI think also the festival calendar of ancient Greece...  maybe doesn't make much sense for a lot of us today?  So something that does make more sense and is a little easier to follow?


Could someone point me in the direction of an ancient Greece Festival Calendar?  I'd like to get the general idea of it so I know what eveyone else is talking about.   Smiley
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« Reply #3: March 27, 2007, 07:00:27 pm »

Could someone point me in the direction of an ancient Greece Festival Calendar?  I'd like to get the general idea of it so I know what eveyone else is talking about.   Smiley

Here is a list of festivals and sacrifices in Athens

http://www.numachi.com/~ccount/hmepa/Notes.html

The site itself has a calendar.

http://www.numachi.com/~ccount/hmepa/
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« Reply #4: March 28, 2007, 02:21:19 pm »

Here is a list of festivals and sacrifices in Athens

http://www.numachi.com/~ccount/hmepa/Notes.html

The site itself has a calendar.

http://www.numachi.com/~ccount/hmepa/

Thank you.  I'll wander off now.  Smiley
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« Reply #5: April 03, 2007, 03:43:27 am »

The thing that I'm most looking for, personally, is a form of practice that can be used by an individual whose family does not necessarily follow said modern Hellenic religion.  I'd also include small groups, like a couple or a single family with no religious community nearby to share a practice with.  A lot of the stricter recon stuff seems to be geared toward larger communities, and while maybe it could be adapted I haven't seen a lot of guidance or ideas about doing so.

I think also the festival calendar of ancient Greece...  maybe doesn't make much sense for a lot of us today?  So something that does make more sense and is a little easier to follow?

I think, for the record, you've got a good start on both of these in your "first stab" post.  Smiley

After looking at the festival calendar, I have to agree with Star.  It is difficult to follow something so..full.  I read through it and the mind, it boggled.  Shocked I couldn't even come close to observing many of those.  I believe Randall mentioned the Sundays as an idea and the general outline looked very accessable.

I think the main thing for modern times is the individual or small group worship.  State subsided mass worship just isn't going to happen.  Recreating religion to suit the Gods and the mortals is the sticky thing, I think. 

I was also reading the Reformed Kemetic SIG and a question came to mind concerning the Olympians and other Greek dieties.  What modern attributes does anyone attribute to the pantheon?  I don't that I'd call it syncretization, but like Hermes with safe travel (automobiles?) do these things get broken down into the basics?  I guess what I'm trying to get at is how technology and such are handled.  That which the Greeks had no experience with but is common and everyday for us.

Or maybe I shouldn't have read Gaimans "American Gods" recently. Cheesy

(I'm sorry if I'm poking my nose in where its driving anyone crazy, feel free to smack this eager puppy down anytime.)
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« Reply #6: April 11, 2007, 11:22:16 am »

Stock paragraph:  Things have been a bit quiet, so I thought I'd see if I could summarize what's been said in some of these threads.  I feel like in some places we kind of just let things trail off mid-thought, so I'm hoping this might help pick back up and get going again.

Human needs people have listed:

1.  A form of practice that is adaptable to an individual practitioner operating within the constraints of living in a mixed-religion household, as well as to a small household (individual, couple, small family, etc.) or groups of varying sizes.

2.  A festival calendar that makes more sense outside of the context of Ancient Greece.

3.  A simplified calendar, easier to understand and follow.

4.  Ideas about how known attributes of various deities apply to modern life, things that the Ancient Greeks never heard of or had to deal with but is common and everyday for us.

Anything get missed so far?
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« Reply #7: April 11, 2007, 12:34:10 pm »

People today are not the people of Ancient Greece. The world has changed in major ways since the golden age of Athens. While many of our needs are the same as those of people in ancient Greece (or anywhere/anywhen else, for that matter), our culture and world are different in so many ways from that of ancient Greece.

What modern needs to you expect a modern Hellenic religion to meet?

I'm not really Hellenic though I have had a pull towards Hekate, Hestia and possibly Hera at different times in my life. 

I know in Kemetic religion, the state festivals are practiced by most practitioners (New Year, Mysteries of Wesir, Wag festival), but other festivals just have to do with which deity you are dedicated to.  This also happened in ancient Egypt where each city had their own deities and their days were worshipped alongside the state festivals in the temples. 

::goes to go look at the Hellenic calendar linked earlier in the thread::
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