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« Reply #45: February 23, 2008, 04:40:24 am »

I always say Karma will come back.To send out something bad,it will come back to you.I feel the spiritual world will take care of the order of things.

I'm not sure I can see any evidence that the spiritual world has been taking care of anything. Smiley
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« Reply #46: February 23, 2008, 12:56:50 pm »

I'm not sure I can see any evidence that the spiritual world has been taking care of anything. Smiley

Possibly b/c you're an atheist? Wink
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« Reply #47: February 23, 2008, 04:13:18 pm »

Possibly b/c you're an atheist? Wink

Interesting theory.  Sadly doesn't account for why I never saw that when I *wasn't* an atheist, mind. Wink
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« Reply #48: February 23, 2008, 04:15:04 pm »

Possibly b/c you're an atheist? Wink

Or he's an atheist b/c he hasn't found such evidence?  Cause and effect, chicken and egg, etc.

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« Reply #49: February 23, 2008, 05:27:30 pm »

Or he's an atheist b/c he hasn't found such evidence?  Cause and effect, chicken and egg, etc.

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oh I know. My brother is an atheist. We have been enjoying this particular argument for years Wink
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« Reply #50: February 24, 2008, 05:49:35 pm »

Possibly b/c you're an atheist? Wink

I am not an atheist, but I do agree with him. Maybe it's that I am not "religious enough" or whatever, but I most certainly do not believe that karma, or the spiritual world, takes care of things. I take care of things myself.
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« Reply #51: February 24, 2008, 06:30:54 pm »

Possibly b/c you're an atheist? Wink

Well, I don't believe in karma either.  Seen to much to prove otherwise.
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« Reply #52: February 24, 2008, 06:59:28 pm »

Well, I don't believe in karma either.  Seen to much to prove otherwise.

To me Karma is just action and cause, rather than having anything to do with something being good or bad.  If its warm your hot and start to sweat.  Karma. 

I think its simplifying the universe way way too much by saying if you do good stuff, good will come back to you: "the road to hell is payved with good intentions".  A lot of shitty things in this world is caused by people trying to make the world a "better place" rather than intentionally trying to screw things up.

Personally I don't think the universe runs on moral bribery.
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« Reply #53: February 24, 2008, 11:29:54 pm »

I think its simplifying the universe way way too much by saying if you do good stuff, good will come back to you: "the road to hell is payved with good intentions".  A lot of shitty things in this world is caused by people trying to make the world a "better place" rather than intentionally trying to screw things up.

Personally I don't think the universe runs on moral bribery.

Well said. To me, karma is more about natural and logical consequences of spiritual actions. It isn't about punishment or reward.
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« Reply #54: February 25, 2008, 01:49:35 pm »

Partly inspired by a thread were Hera was discussed got me wondering about how different pagans from different religions view the concept of revenge.

 Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge? Or does any one follow the concept of turning the other cheek?  Does any one go to the gods for retribution such as Nemesis?  I appreciate any input.


I soooo turn the other cheek.  I have no problem loving my neighbor and have rarely even contemplated revenge.  Many times my husband and I have argued because I try to see things from the other person's perspective.  Sure that lady cut us off but... maybe she's on the way to the hospital because her child was in an accident.  Yea, that neighbor was rather sarcastic when offering to fix our lawn mower (which wasn't broken) but... he does have a point about our foot long grass growing in the backyard.  It is the source of much contention especially with my husband who thinks that it is his job to judge everyone else's choices and who takes everything very personally. 

Unlike my husband, I try not to judge anyone too quickly.  When I was dating, I always went on a second date just in case the person was having a bad day the first time, or was nervous, or whatever.  I believe most people are naturally good and don't go out of their way to be mean or hateful.  I have a very "grey" view of this world.  There are very few things which are "black or white" to me.  The world is full of constantly shifting shades of light and dark.

I know there are a lot of people who wonder how could anyone not go after someone who has hurt you and yours. Thank the Gods I haven't had anything bad happen to my children, but I can totally relate to those stories of people whose children have been murdered and they've been able to forgive the person who did it.  I can't imagine not being able to forgive since I don't know what is going on inside anyone else.  I know it would take time and, at first, I would just want to hurt the person like they hurt me, but, for my own sanity and the good of those around me, I would need to forgive.  It comes down to the statement that "I can't control what other people do, I can only control my own actions and reactions".

This has been a problem for me in my search for a path.  Genetically, I feel pulled to the celtic/norse religions, yet, I don't feel like these views of mine fit in with what I've read. 

Thanks for letting me share my view.

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« Reply #55: February 25, 2008, 07:46:04 pm »

This has been a problem for me in my search for a path.  Genetically, I feel pulled to the celtic/norse religions, yet, I don't feel like these views of mine fit in with what I've read.

I have a similar problem with some of those systems. That's why I had to make up my own thing Smiley
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« Reply #56: March 15, 2008, 09:51:57 pm »

Partly inspired by a thread were Hera was discussed got me wondering about how different pagans from different religions view the concept of revenge.

 Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge? Or does any one follow the concept of turning the other cheek?  Does any one go to the gods for retribution such as Nemesis?  I appreciate any input.


I dont believe in turning the other cheek, but I also found revenge sometimes leaves a big, unsatisfied hole in your personal web of creating good things for yourself.
So, I use it moderately and only to teach the wrongdoer a lesson that is beneficial to us both. I believe in "win-win"-outcomes as far as I can control it myself. Pure anger, on the other hand, I usually pour out with generosity. (I also believe holding back rightful anger makes you sick in the end)
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« Reply #57: March 17, 2008, 03:49:33 pm »

Partly inspired by a thread were Hera was discussed got me wondering about how different pagans from different religions view the concept of revenge.

 Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge? Or does any one follow the concept of turning the other cheek?  Does any one go to the gods for retribution such as Nemesis?  I appreciate any input.


This greatly depends on the wrong done to me or mine.  Somethings I will forgive, others have harsh words for, and if they have hurt my family or myself make them pay dearly for.  I do not go to my gods for something so menial as revenge.  It happens to be a matter between myself and another person, which would not involve me going to the Gods/desses for anything. 
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« Reply #58: March 17, 2008, 07:41:03 pm »

Partly inspired by a thread were Hera was discussed got me wondering about how different pagans from different religions view the concept of revenge.

 Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge? Or does any one follow the concept of turning the other cheek?  Does any one go to the gods for retribution such as Nemesis?  I appreciate any input.


personally i believe that sometimes revenge is necessary to restore honour.
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« Reply #59: March 28, 2008, 01:10:39 pm »

Partly inspired by a thread were Hera was discussed got me wondering about how different pagans from different religions view the concept of revenge.

 Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge? Or does any one follow the concept of turning the other cheek?  Does any one go to the gods for retribution such as Nemesis?  I appreciate any input.


if someone wrong me or hurt me I let the universe do it for me, remerber, harm none do what you will...not all Pagans/Wiccans go by the rede though.

it sickens me that someone go out of there way to hurt a person for no reason, what a world that we live in eh?
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