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« Reply #60: March 28, 2008, 06:05:18 pm »

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Personally I don't believe in "an eye for an eye"... not even poking. Tongue
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« Reply #61: March 28, 2008, 07:06:37 pm »

Personally I don't believe in "an eye for an eye"... not even poking. Tongue

This I cannot agree with.  Some of the time maybe.
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« Reply #62: March 28, 2008, 09:06:02 pm »

There is a quote that helps me lose my desire for revenge, but I cannot remember who said it first:

"The best revenge is to live well."

This is my view on the subject as well, generally. I tend to anger easily about certain things, and if I were to seek revenge for every perceived slight, I'd be uselessly busy for a very long time.

There is, I think, a line, which varies from person to person, which once crossed invites some kind of more concrete revenge.
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« Reply #63: March 31, 2008, 02:42:24 am »

Partly inspired by a thread were Hera was discussed got me wondering about how different pagans from different religions view the concept of revenge.

 Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge? Or does any one follow the concept of turning the other cheek?  Does any one go to the gods for retribution such as Nemesis?  I appreciate any input.


Fair Evening,

  Perhaps my take on the topic of "revenge" is a bit... biased, considering I am a diagnosed Sociopath. If someone actually manages to piss me off, I try to kill them. Of course it takes a considerable amount to make me mad. However if someone wrongs me, I generally reveal a piece of information that will destroy them emotionally and their reputation. I tend to know a lot more about people than I should, and I save each piece of information until the proper moment.

  I would provide some religious viewpoint on revenge, but I don't have a religion. So all I can provide is the personal view on it that I gave.

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« Reply #64: March 31, 2008, 04:39:23 am »

This I cannot agree with.  Some of the time maybe.
Generally, I'll be thinking about what I've done to provoke... whatever... to be honest.
Revenge doesn't really enter into my calculations. Not to present myself as some kind of infallible humanitarian figure; I'm just a fairly timid person, as things go, and I'd prefer not to provoke rather than have to deal with retribution... if someone's being a dick or I know I'm going to have a problem, I'll just avoid them Embarrassed.
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« Reply #65: March 31, 2008, 01:41:47 pm »

Perhaps my take on the topic of "revenge" is a bit... biased, considering I am a diagnosed Sociopath. If someone actually manages to piss me off, I try to kill them.

I do hope you are under treatment for that condition. Otherwise, it is likely to end you up in trouble with law someday. Sad Few people, after all, truly deserve death for upsetting someone. No matter how much we might think they do when we are angry at them.

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However if someone wrongs me, I generally reveal a piece of information that will destroy them emotionally and their reputation.

That's better than killing them, I suppose. Smiley
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« Reply #66: March 31, 2008, 01:50:18 pm »

Generally, I'll be thinking about what I've done to provoke... whatever... to be honest.
Revenge doesn't really enter into my calculations. Not to present myself as some kind of infallible humanitarian figure; I'm just a fairly timid person, as things go, and I'd prefer not to provoke rather than have to deal with retribution... if someone's being a dick or I know I'm going to have a problem, I'll just avoid them Embarrassed.

I can understand that point of view because my wife's attitude is very similar to yours.  I see it as if someone does something, whether words or action, it can require revenge.  There are different ways to get your revenge obviously, but there are so many things that need to be taken into consideration it actually works out to be bigger headache than it worth most of the time.  
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« Reply #67: March 31, 2008, 05:57:44 pm »

I do hope you are under treatment for that condition. Otherwise, it is likely to end you up in trouble with law someday. Sad Few people, after all, truly deserve death for upsetting someone. No matter how much we might think they do when we are angry at them.


Although it takes an immense effort on their part to actually make me mad. Because of the way my mind works, I almost never get mad/offended by anyone, because I simply do not care. I've only been mad to that point 3 times before.

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« Reply #68: March 31, 2008, 06:49:05 pm »

I've only been mad to that point 3 times before.

As you are still free and posting, I assume that you didn't actually kill anyone even if you thought they deserved it.
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« Reply #69: April 01, 2008, 02:13:03 am »

Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge?

I haven't read through all the pages, so forgive me if I repeat what others have said.  My moral compass is guided firmly by karma.  Three times bad and three times good -- or whatever cute phrase you want to use to say that a) bringing revenge on someone else will not make you feel much better in the long run, and b) they'll get what's coming to them.
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« Reply #70: April 01, 2008, 09:07:05 am »

Partly inspired by a thread were Hera was discussed got me wondering about how different pagans from different religions view the concept of revenge.

 Do you think its right personally: to exact revenge? Or does any one follow the concept of turning the other cheek?  Does any one go to the gods for retribution such as Nemesis?  I appreciate any input.


Neither. Paradoxical answer? Perhaps.

To accept the question one must believe in right and wrong. In order for revenge to be existent, there must be a wrong in the first place that is done to exact said revenge upon.

The reasons why right and wrong can not exist?
To accept right and wrong one must first accept the self. The self as we know it is a fallacy created by our mindset. Within my own understandings, the true being that is you, or I, is the organism that exists without the knowledge of itself. That which continues without understanding or thought. Perhaps a better term would be order.

To elaborate; you can feel your breath when you inhale. The conscious knowledge of your breathing is there. This is the self, the 'ego' if you will. This is the understanding of breathing that it holds, that feeling that one exhibits when they consciously inhale. However we breathe all the time, we are forever breathing, in sleep in mindset of alternative things. That is the true self, the absence of the ego, of the conscious acknowledgement. That is the true self, that which continues without knowledge of itself. Without the awareness.

I know this sounds like a massive tangent but bare with me...

Now that we understand the self a little better, we continue to elaborate. If the true self is that which exists without knowledge of itself. Then the understandings are not bound within the physical body that is what we consider ourselves. The entombment of that concept is brought on directly by the self. That we are what the conscious knowledge, the self understands as us. The reality of the understanding of our selves breaks this order, this constraint and releases our existence into everything. Just as our selves are a part of the air that is a part of our on going existence, then to is everything else, as such the connectivity of everything brought on by the self pulls the understandings of everything into one.

This is where my point will start to be understood perhaps and my babbling will be relevant.

The understanding of the true self is that everything is one in a mirage of acknowledged thought that separates all. When this concept comes into play, right and wrong can not exist, due to the fact that everything is one and that our separate entities are merely concepts drawn by the ego. As such any wrong acts to that single self is just another illusion. That right and wrong are merely constraints that are brought on by the self acknowledged ego.

If these are just illusions, then just as that ego, they do not exist and right and wrong are merely parables to the singular entity that is all. Everything being one, can not possibly do right nor wrong to itself, only alter itself in one mannerism or another.

Now that right and wrong are gone, then 'revenge.' Can not be possible, for again it is merely an acceptable understanding by the self acknowledged ego. Revenge can not exist, as with right or wrong, so neither can I seek revenge nor simply, turn the other cheek.

From a practical and perhaps physical perspective. I will not allow any to constrain me, from the choices that are made, whether that may be perceived as revenge or not, depicting the context that it is placed within; is up to whom perceives it.

I hope that was clear and not a complete mess... I'm not always brilliant at wording my feelings / thoughts.

Thank you.
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« Reply #71: April 01, 2008, 10:00:09 am »

As you are still free and posting, I assume that you didn't actually kill anyone even if you thought they deserved it.


Fortunately for my freedom's sake, someone was able to pull me off each time.

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« Reply #72: April 07, 2008, 11:10:13 pm »

As you are still free and posting, I assume that you didn't actually kill anyone even if you thought they deserved it.

For people who have a quick temper, there is always a problem.  If you were picked on when young by siblingor peers there can be a deep reservoir of anger.

I have to admit that twice I saw nothing but red and wouldhave killed, once a sargent and once a barracks mate.  Fortunately neither came to pass.  But it has taken many years to control my temper, but at least to the point of harming anyone it is controlled.
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« Reply #73: April 07, 2008, 11:35:05 pm »



Well, if that floats your boat in real life, roll with it.

Me, I pay people the respect of perceiving them as individuals.  Wrongdoing is not only possible, it happens all the time.  The law, private actions, revenge itself, are all ways of maintaining the balance that I prefer to exist in the world, among all these separate beings.  Since we don't share thoughts and all have individual perceptions, any 'oneness' on some other level is irrelevant in day-to-day reality.

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« Reply #74: April 08, 2008, 07:33:58 am »

Well, if that floats your boat in real life, roll with it.

Me, I pay people the respect of perceiving them as individuals.  Wrongdoing is not only possible, it happens all the time.  The law, private actions, revenge itself, are all ways of maintaining the balance that I prefer to exist in the world, among all these separate beings.  Since we don't share thoughts and all have individual perceptions, any 'oneness' on some other level is irrelevant in day-to-day reality.

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