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« Topic Start: February 03, 2008, 12:35:56 pm »

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So I am KO and my Parent no longer feels, er, "right" anymore. Like I have grown and am being passed on to another Netjer, but in a loving "here's your Father" kind of way, being introduced to him by my Mother. And that it's pretty permanent. Not that She doesn't want anything else to do with me, but that our /main time/ is done. It's hard to describe this feeling, but I know what it is. When I was divined it felt perfect, everything fell in line with my own beliefs, but things are now getting a bit gray. There's heaps of Ancient Egypt info available online and I am finding myself falling away from KO's doctrine and practices as a result of looking a lot more deeply than I had in the past.

I bring this up here instead of the KO boards because, quite frankly, I'm uncomfortable doing so. Hmmm...

Has anyone on the Kemetic SIG left KO? Thinking about it?

Also, scholarly non denominational resources about Ancient Egyptian religion is very much appreciated, please.

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« Reply #1: February 03, 2008, 03:10:44 pm »

Has anyone on the Kemetic SIG left KO? Thinking about it?

My original intent with regards to the Kemetic denominations was to do a basic course of study in each and compare them; I gave up on this plan when I hit the KO (second) because I was so tired of dealing with Kemetic interdenominational hissyfits.

Since my time doing their introductory course, my course has brought me far, far afield of any of the organised Kemetic denominations in any case.

I know there at least used to exist (on livejournal) a support group for ex-HON members, but I don't recall its name.

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Also, scholarly non denominational resources about Ancient Egyptian religion is very much appreciated, please.

The standard things I recommend for beginners are The One and the Many, Hornung, and Daily Life of the Egyptian Gods, Meeks and Meeks.  I prefer the Hornung; I love his work, overall.  However, I believe the Meeks work was written as a response/counterargument to Hornung, so I'd suggest reading them as a set and drawing your own conclusions.  Both of them are fairly easy reads, as such things go.

Morenz's Egyptian Religion is good, but awfully dry.  I'm fond of Assman's work as well, but his prose is neutronium-dense.  If you get to reading the pedantic Germans, you'll be on your way to becoming a theologian Wink (something that I think the basic HON stuff does very poorly).
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« Reply #2: February 03, 2008, 03:44:27 pm »

My original intent with regards to the Kemetic denominations was to do a basic course of study in each and compare them; I gave up on this plan when I hit the KO (second) because I was so tired of dealing with Kemetic interdenominational hissyfits.

Since my time doing their introductory course, my course has brought me far, far afield of any of the organised Kemetic denominations in any case.

I know there at least used to exist (on livejournal) a support group for ex-HON members, but I don't recall its name.

The standard things I recommend for beginners are The One and the Many, Hornung, and Daily Life of the Egyptian Gods, Meeks and Meeks.  I prefer the Hornung; I love his work, overall.  However, I believe the Meeks work was written as a response/counterargument to Hornung, so I'd suggest reading them as a set and drawing your own conclusions.  Both of them are fairly easy reads, as such things go.

Morenz's Egyptian Religion is good, but awfully dry.  I'm fond of Assman's work as well, but his prose is neutronium-dense.  If you get to reading the pedantic Germans, you'll be on your way to becoming a theologian Wink (something that I think the basic HON stuff does very poorly).
I just ordered the first 3 from amazon. Thank you, Darkhawk!

I'm gonna google around for the ex-HoN community.
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« Reply #3: February 03, 2008, 06:30:01 pm »


I know Sannion just did a journal entry on the Parent Divination from HON, and it really put things in perspective for me: what Parents you have in HON are for HON-only. But it is not permenant and can change. Perhaps you may want to bring up these revelations with the Nisut? It may not do anything, but its worth a shot, no?

We all change and grow, and things that were perfect arn't really all that perfect anymore as time goes on. But in no way should it come to the point where you go: Well now that things are different, the past must've been wrong. Because from the way you've described things, things -we're- perfect, its just things have changed.

And Im going to stop rambling now. I'm sorry! ^^;
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« Reply #4: February 03, 2008, 06:50:00 pm »

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Right....I don't think the RPD was wrong at all, at the time. It's just wrong now. Also, I'm not sure where I fit in at HoN at this point. I'm going to think on it a bit before I bring it up over there.
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« Reply #5: February 03, 2008, 07:47:26 pm »

So I am KO and my Parent no longer feels, er, "right" anymore. Like I have grown and am being passed on to another Netjer, but in a loving "here's your Father" kind of way, being introduced to him by my Mother. And that it's pretty permanent. Not that She doesn't want anything else to do with me, but that our /main time/ is done. It's hard to describe this feeling, but I know what it is.

I know exactly what you mean ... the same thing happened to me. When I was younger (and before I had a clue what was going on) I had a stronger connection to Ma'at, and about the time I started University I got handed over to Set. I've never been a member of any "official" Kemetic group, working mostly from UPG and info gleaned from right here on TC. And I've done my share of muddling (for quite a while I wasn't sure if the other God I was honoring was Wesir or Sokar. Apparently it's the latter. Tongue) but it seems to be working out.
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« Reply #6: February 03, 2008, 08:41:34 pm »

I know what you mean. I'm sort of in limbo right now. I don't see myself leaving the Kemetic Orthodox faith, but I do see myself sneaking in some personal gnosis.

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« Reply #7: February 04, 2008, 10:04:41 am »

Of course this might change after I read Hornungs book. I have been talking to a few other Kemetics and they claim KO twisted Hornungs work. I shall see.
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« Reply #8: February 04, 2008, 11:29:07 am »

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Right....I don't think the RPD was wrong at all, at the time. It's just wrong now. Also, I'm not sure where I fit in at HoN at this point. I'm going to think on it a bit before I bring it up over there.

I'm not a fan of HoN. I was a part of it when I was first exploring paganism and thought Kemeticism was right for me.  There were just some things going on in HoN that really didn't sit well with me, though.

Buuuut... that's me. I find it hard to be a part of any organized denomination when the religion you are practicing is basically (at least somewhat) a recon. I'm sure the gods just want you to follow what you believe in heart to be true. Don't worry beyond that.
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« Reply #9: February 04, 2008, 07:37:39 pm »

Buuuut... that's me. I find it hard to be a part of any organized denomination when the religion you are practicing is basically (at least somewhat) a recon. I'm sure the gods just want you to follow what you believe in heart to be true. Don't worry beyond that.
I'm pretty much at a stand still right now. Yeah, I think HoN is recon...ish, but I'm unsure about Parents and Beloveds. I...I don't know. My spiritual life has pretty much been turned upside down. I'm going to study, study, study my head off and see where my heart and brain take me.
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« Reply #10: February 11, 2008, 11:33:57 am »

I'm not a fan of HoN. I was a part of it when I was first exploring paganism and thought Kemeticism was right for me.  There were just some things going on in HoN that really didn't sit well with me, though.

I'd like to hear more about this. I just applied for the beginner's course, and while some things already don't sit right with me (i.e. the Nisut), they seem like a reasonably good organization, especially in the quality of the members. And, they don't claim to be reconstructionists, only revivalists, and I appreciate their honesty. But, if you had a problem, I'd really like to hear about it.
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« Reply #11: February 11, 2008, 11:15:20 pm »

I'd like to hear more about this. I just applied for the beginner's course, and while some things already don't sit right with me (i.e. the Nisut), they seem like a reasonably good organization, especially in the quality of the members. And, they don't claim to be reconstructionists, only revivalists, and I appreciate their honesty. But, if you had a problem, I'd really like to hear about it.
I'm not Caomi, but.

The one big organisational problem I am aware of is an ex member left HoN and copy pasted Tamara Suida's work for her own temple; lots of backstabbing from all sides, HoN included, from what I've heard. And there are quite a few I have talked to who say they were treated pretty badly if they didn't toe the HoN line, and that their experience was that HoN is *very* cultish and cliquey. And woe unto you if you disagree with Tamara Suida, engaging her in debate.

I have not experienced this myself, but my entry into HoN has only been a couple of years. FWIW, I don't think the people I talked to about this lied to me.

There may still be a lot of backstabbing going on behind the scenes.
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« Reply #12: August 13, 2008, 11:30:55 am »

The one big organisational problem I am aware of is an ex member left HoN and copy pasted Tamara Suida's work for her own temple; lots of backstabbing from all sides, HoN included, from what I've heard. And there are quite a few I have talked to who say they were treated pretty badly if they didn't toe the HoN line, and that their experience was that HoN is *very* cultish and cliquey. And woe unto you if you disagree with Tamara Suida, engaging her in debate. *snip* There may still be a lot of backstabbing going on behind the scenes.

From my personal experience, yeah. Though I haven't had the...pleasure of speaking to Ms. Suida herself yet, I know I have recieved quite a bit of backstabbing for my openness in my views against the Orthodox and the whole "Nisut" business therein. The whole HON business sits very badly with me, and their response to my voicing my opinions on my own personal sites bothered me even more.

Myself and many others that I have spoken to have had the overall impression of "if you're not like us, you're not worthy of our attention" from the higher-ups  in the Orthodox. Some members are very laidback about it, and are even rather open about what goes on within the Orthodox. Others will sooner start trying to ruin you rather than answer your questions. Odd, concidering they claim to be children of the Neteru, yes? Not very in line with Ma'at in my opinion...
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« Reply #13: August 19, 2008, 10:53:06 am »

I know there at least used to exist (on livejournal) a support group for ex-HON members, but I don't recall its name.


I was looking at this thread and I looked for that LJ community, just out of curiosity.  What I found was an old, locked community for "Kemetics in recovery from abusive cults."

I sure hope that's not the community you're referring to.  Or, I hope that whoever started it was one person who had a bad experience and overreacted. 

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« Reply #14: August 20, 2008, 10:13:22 am »

I was looking at this thread and I looked for that LJ community, just out of curiosity.  What I found was an old, locked community for "Kemetics in recovery from abusive cults."

I sure hope that's not the community you're referring to.  Or, I hope that whoever started it was one person who had a bad experience and overreacted. 

That's what I had found as well whenever I looked. But with some of the other tales I've heard recently (regretably, second-hand tales, so I have the whole "friend of a friend who this stuff happened to" situation to hear from) of other problems, especially for discrimination against members with disabilities. Also, has anyone heard why they decided to lock the interfaith board on the HON forum? It's all strictly moderated now for some reason....
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