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« Reply #15: February 17, 2008, 08:56:29 pm »

And um, just a very wild guess here, but did you kind of connect to the element water, invoked its energies or something? Because I guess that one can pretty much break any barrier down.
That was actually my first thought, especially if you've never meditated in the shower before. I see what you mean about the shower vs. bath thing. Being hit by the water in the shower... I can imagine sort of find it easy to... get swept off with it almost? If that makes sense. I agree with the grounding thing as well, but you say you've had experience with meditation. So even though you haven't done it in a while, I'd say it was the shower thing, fwiw.
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« Reply #16: February 18, 2008, 02:51:57 am »

It's a dialect form of "creatures" that has become a common-usage idiom.  It can be used to refer to animals (critters on the farm, critters in the woods); humans (Cauldronites are odd critters); insects, particularly when pests or parasites, and particularly when not more precisely identifiable (if there are critters in the bedding, they might be bedbugs or they might be something else); as it was in this instance, non-corporeal and/or Otherworld entities; and a bunch of other things.  It tends, in most but not all cases, to imply more than one species, and/or not identifying the species.

Which isn't all that good an explanation, but you know how it is with idioms.

As you can see, I've taken this to be a language-gap problem rather than a question of "what sort of critters are on the astral?"  If I'm mistaken, ignore me.

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Thanks, not that I have much of a clue about the astral plane, but now I understand the words you're using at least.  Grin

(I guess there will be very different opinions on what sort of critters are there and how to 'catalogize' them...)
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« Reply #17: February 18, 2008, 08:22:33 am »

(I guess there will be very different opinions on what sort of critters are there and how to 'catalogize' them...)

There are. Some ceremonial mages during bthe early 20th century even wrote "papers" on the subject -- that tended to completely disagree with each other. LOL.
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« Reply #18: February 18, 2008, 10:18:42 am »

There are. Some ceremonial mages during bthe early 20th century even wrote "papers" on the subject -- that tended to completely disagree with each other. LOL.
Then again, isn't that the case with MANY things? Each person has a totally different POV, and even if you are looking at the same exact stimuli, doesn't mean you will see the same thing, nor will you interpret it the same. You may have missed something that one person noticed, because it wasn't of importance to you, whereas it was to them.
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« Reply #19: February 18, 2008, 12:51:15 pm »

You may have missed something that one person noticed, because it wasn't of importance to you, whereas it was to them.

it's not even that the other person "missed" it necessarily. It is more like it just wasn't there, or they experienced it in a totally different way. Journeying and meditating with other people is always so fascinating b/c of this.
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« Reply #20: February 18, 2008, 01:28:53 pm »

Then again, isn't that the case with MANY things? Each person has a totally different POV, and even if you are looking at the same exact stimuli, doesn't mean you will see the same thing, nor will you interpret it the same.
Yeah, but maybe RandallS is laughing because some debates are fiercer and funnier than others. It also has to do with how the people behave towards each other's position and what kind of argumentation they built up. Some scientific debates I've came across for example are very funny, though often in a sarcastic way.
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« Reply #21: February 18, 2008, 01:32:20 pm »

it's not even that the other person "missed" it necessarily. It is more like it just wasn't there, or they experienced it in a totally different way. Journeying and meditating with other people is always so fascinating b/c of this.
Oh I know. I was just speaking generally. You still might miss something someone noticed that WAS there. Like, you just never payed any attention to it because there was so much other things taking your attention. But yes, as you said, they experienced it in a totally different way perhaps. That was basically what I was getting at I suppose. In a way.

I have never tried meditation with other people yet, but plan to eventually. Once I am ungrounded and am able to communicate with society outside of the internet. (grades. Bleh.)
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