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« Reply #15: March 30, 2007, 07:41:36 pm »

Is Cuchulain (and I know I've butchered that) Irish or Scottish? I didn't see him on the list, and I know I've read about him in something recently. Red Haired Woman from the Bog, perhaps. I need to start keeping some notes on the stuff I've read so I can actually come up with the correct citation.

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« Reply #16: March 30, 2007, 11:16:43 pm »

Is Cuchulain (and I know I've butchered that) Irish or Scottish? I didn't see him on the list, and I know I've read about him in something recently.
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He'd be Irish.

The Tain bo Cuailnge was my first real introduction to Irish myth - I did a paper on it in high school.  Smiley
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« Reply #17: March 31, 2007, 02:05:59 pm »

Yes, but Irish, too. The Cailleach Bheirre is a major Irish sovereignty figure, especially associated with Munster and the Beare peninsula.

(The Scottish counterparts are the Cailleach Beinne Bric, and likely the best known Scottish, the wintery Cailleach Bheur.)
None of which should be supposed, without backing research, to be cognate, since "cailleach" means (in modern Scots Gaelic at any rate) "old woman".  "Bheirre" and "Bheur" look like they could be cognate, but that could just be my ignorant eye.

I'm not positing anything, nor in any way disagreeing, just throwing out factoids that may (or not) have relevance.  (Nor do I speak anything other than English; I just pick up words the same way I pick up all manner of bits of info from what I read.)

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« Reply #18: April 01, 2007, 09:32:00 pm »

Scathach.  (Maybe?  I know there's some debate on her goddess-ness.)

I suppose if Cuchulain was included Scathach ought to be too.

Incidentally, I am sure I recall reading of Cuchulain being worshipped as a sun god at a site on one of the islands on Loch Maree in Wester Ross in Scotland as part of a continuous tradition as late as the 19th century. Can't recall exactly where I read that though.

Scathach ("The Shadowy One") resided at Dun Scaith ("The Fortress of Shadows") which I have seen interpreted as a sort of Hades, however "Dun Scaith" is also a rocky fortified promontory on the isle of Skye overlooking the Cullins (hills named after Cuchullin)
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« Reply #19: December 30, 2007, 12:59:49 pm »

Which deities of the Irish pantheon do we want to include? The ones I can think of off the top of my head...

Brighid
Lugh
Danu
Donn
Morrigan
Manannan
Aengus
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Torann.that is the irish name of Taranis.god of storms.i am dedicated to him.
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« Reply #20: December 30, 2007, 01:03:18 pm »

Torann.that is the irish name of Taranis.god of storms.i am dedicated to him.

Strangely, I've never seen that name. Could you provide a source please?
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« Reply #21: December 30, 2007, 01:50:29 pm »

Strangely, I've never seen that name. Could you provide a source please?

It looks like an Anglicization of Tuireann, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #22: December 30, 2007, 02:30:35 pm »

It looks like an Anglicization of Tuireann, but I could be wrong.

Oh, okay. That makes a little more sense.
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« Reply #23: December 30, 2007, 02:55:47 pm »

Strangely, I've never seen that name. Could you provide a source please?
it is in a book called "the celts".blue coloredb book.regular size.you can find it in the history section of the book store.
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« Reply #24: December 30, 2007, 04:05:15 pm »

Strangely, I've never seen that name. Could you provide a source please?

According to Britannica online, he was one of three gods mentioned by a Roman poet named Lucan.  Apparently he was given human or animal sacrifices in wicker-work images, which were then burned.  I can't say anything else because I'm not a member, so I can't get the whole article.

It's a little difficult to search, since Taranis also appears to be some kind of military vehicle as well.

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« Reply #25: December 30, 2007, 06:04:07 pm »

According to Britannica online, he was one of three gods mentioned by a Roman poet named Lucan.  Apparently he was given human or animal sacrifices in wicker-work images, which were then burned.  I can't say anything else because I'm not a member, so I can't get the whole article.

It's a little difficult to search, since Taranis also appears to be some kind of military vehicle as well.

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here is a really good book:the gods of the celts by miranda green.sutton publishing www.suttonpublishing.co.uk. i learned alot.i have found cross refs on him from ireland to lithuania.but he was mostly popular in gaul.concerning human sacrifice.we have to remember that the celts would use "sacrifice" as a method of executing prisoners.much like a viking would hold a spear up before battle and say "i sacrifice all whom i slay today to Odin".Taranis's name simply means thunder.from my gathering.his symbol is the six spoked wheel.i did not choose him.he chose me.but,i am not complaining.i like him.here are other names for him:taranucnus( germanic),taran(welsh).in any language.his name simply means thunder.one thing we DO have to remember about the roman writers is.they were very biased.when i was a child.i felt a strange comfort in storms.like being with a friend.when i finally escaped my families upbringing and went in the military it became more,as did my curiosities with faith.when i finally found out i was pagan and did not know it.my questions of why i felt like i was with a friend in storms grew.two elderly ladies who owned a occult shop finally answered my questions.they informed me that a god/dess chooses you.you do not choose them.and that it was very special to be chosen.since that glorious moment and finding who chose me.i have been at comfort.it is like having a good friend.one who is always there and understands.i have been in hurricanes,tornados,all sorts of storms.i have never felt i was in danger.i felt like i was with a friend.a teacher,a mentor.i wear the six spoke wheel and someday will run the skies side by side with Torann.like father and son.
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« Reply #26: December 30, 2007, 09:57:56 pm »


Of course! I thought it was something to do with Taranis or Tuireann--I'd just never seen the name Torann before and my brain short-circuited slightly.
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« Reply #27: December 31, 2007, 01:00:13 am »

Torann.that is the irish name of Taranis.god of storms.i am dedicated to him.

 

The Irish (modern) word for noise is torann. It has the same source as Taranis and the Wesh taran - thunder.

There may have been an Irish god called Torann but I have never come across any reference to one.

There are dozens of books called The Celts. do you have an author?

It sounds to me like someone has just said if this God was Irish he would be called Torann.
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« Reply #28: December 31, 2007, 01:02:52 am »

According to Britannica online, he was one of three gods mentioned by a Roman poet named Lucan.  Apparently he was given human or animal sacrifices in wicker-work images, which were then burned. 

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« Reply #29: December 31, 2007, 01:07:08 am »

here are other names for him:taranucnus( germanic),taran(welsh).

Taran is not a god. He was a Welsh hero.

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