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« Reply #60: March 06, 2008, 08:11:34 pm »

not in the States.  it's on ABC here.

Actually Jeopardy is syndicated, so it plays on different networks in different markets.  It was always on NBC in my parent's market, for example.

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I think that the only way to address this objectively is to look at what the research says.  The research is mixed.  There isn't any evidence that watching slash films will turns someone into an axe murderer.  But there is plenty of evidence that young children will imitate behavior they see on television.  Violent television particularly seems to have an impact on boys about 10 years old. 

There isn't a lot of evidence that watching an episode of violent television has a long term impact on the empathy of children or adults, but there is evidence that it has an impact for several hours.  For example, college students that watched slasher films reported less empathetic feelings towards women that were victims of domestic violence than those who watched a neutral film.  This effect was found the next day (I believe about 24 hours later) and was found to gradually subside as the week wore on. 

But were the studies on the effects of violent TV done on cartoons, shows w/live actors, or a mix?  This isn't a specious question; I should think, though I could certainly be wrong, that there would be a difference.  That there would be a degree of separation between cartoon, w/obviously unreal characters and settings, and shows w/actors, who actually look like the people around the kids.

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2)  While media violence doesn't cause folks to run up the bell tower and commence firing, it does seem to influence folks (even adults) to react in a less empathetic and more callous ways for a number of hours afterwards.  Even this might not be that big a deal except for the saturation of violence in American media does not allow for folks to "come down".  Because people are constantly exposed to that kind of material, they never have a chance to return to baseline.  Like I said, it doesn't mean that these people will start knocking over liquor stores or causing general mayhem, but it does make for a colder and less caring society.

Another question I have is, has context been taken into account in these studies?  Does the violence in, say, Saving Private Ryan or the HP movies, have the same desensitizing effect as slasher flicks? 

I think it all depends on how it's done.  Slasher flicks disgust me, but some violent movies make me feel.  Of course, I'm not a kid anymore, but this is more a response to the colder society statement.

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Now, this doesn't mean that I think that violence on television should be banned.  I do think that people should think about what is best for their children and for society as a whole, and I would prefer they limit such material in their homes.

I don't think anybody is arguing people should leave their 5-year-old to watch Saw or Hostel or some other torture-porn movie; IMO that would warp a kid.  The gist of my argument, anyway, is that kids saying "he's gonna steal my soul" or something is almost certainly not a sign that the kid's damaged for life or something.  That cartoon violence isn't going to destroy society.  I wouldn't let a kid watch Family Guy (which is made for adults, anyway), but there's something about the violence on that show...a real mean-spirited undertone, a sort of violence for violence's sake.  There's no subtlety to it; even Looney Tunes had subtle undertones of humor; the violence wasn't really about the violence, wasn't done for it's own sake, if that makes sense.  Fairly Odd Parents has some violence, but again, that's not the point to the show, and I really do think kids get that. 
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« Reply #62: March 28, 2008, 01:09:27 am »



1. Friends
2. SpongeBob
3. Paid Ads
4. The Sopranos
5. Judge Judy
6. Rachel Ray
7. Regis and Kelly
8. Teletubbies
9. Boobahs
10. American Dad (in a I have to watch it kind've way)
11. The Colbert Report
12. FOX News
13. Nascar
14. Make that any sports (golf and tennis too)
15. Hannah Montana
16. Parental Control (and other dating shows)

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« Reply #63: April 27, 2008, 01:23:48 pm »


I know this is an older thread, but I just saw a commercial and need to comment on it.

11. Axe Men and Ice Road Truckers.  Why the hell are these on the History Channel?  I also dislike Deadliest Catch (which is made by the same company as the other two) but at least it fits in on the Discovery Channel.  Axe Men and Ice Road Truckers do not have anything to do with history so why is it on that channel?
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« Reply #64: April 27, 2008, 02:12:11 pm »

I know this is an older thread, but I just saw a commercial and need to comment on it.

11. Axe Men and Ice Road Truckers.  Why the hell are these on the History Channel?  I also dislike Deadliest Catch (which is made by the same company as the other two) but at least it fits in on the Discovery Channel.  Axe Men and Ice Road Truckers do not have anything to do with history so why is it on that channel?

I had a strange attraction to Ice Road Truckers that I still don't understand. I watched them all. But Axe Men, I can't go there. As an Oregon girl, I know what those guys are like...and how they smell....ew. I am sure they are the same as the truckers, but for some reason driving big trucks across the frozen tundra is less perverted to me than cutting down old growth forest. ::shrug::
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« Reply #65: April 27, 2008, 05:09:54 pm »

<snip> ...less perverted to me than cutting down old growth forest. ::shrug::

And if the old growth forest was dead and/or dying because of insect infestation and/or disease and needed to be cleared to prevent massive, widespread deforestation and possiblity of severe fire danger?
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« Reply #66: April 28, 2008, 11:01:00 pm »

And if the old growth forest was dead and/or dying because of insect infestation and/or disease and needed to be cleared to prevent massive, widespread deforestation and possiblity of severe fire danger?

That has nothing whatever to do with watching smelly, icky loggers fell 1000 year old trees, imo. I'm all for wise forest management, believe me, but my experience of loggers has not been about that at all.
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« Reply #67: April 29, 2008, 03:12:46 pm »

That has nothing whatever to do with watching smelly, icky loggers fell 1000 year old trees, imo. I'm all for wise forest management, believe me, but my experience of loggers has not been about that at all.

IME, they're only "smell and icky" when they've been out busting their arses at a "smelly, icky" job for a minimum of 8 hours a day and are just back into town from the jobsite. So what if they're "smelly and icky" when they stop off at the grocery store (or wherever) at the end of their work day? Logging is honest work and provides food, money and shelter for families.
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« Reply #68: April 29, 2008, 08:46:00 pm »

That has nothing whatever to do with watching smelly, icky loggers fell 1000 year old trees, imo.

"Smelly, icky" describes anyone who works outside in a South Texas summer -- even if only for a couple of hours.
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« Reply #69: April 30, 2008, 02:15:08 am »

Logging is honest work and provides food, money and shelter for families.

So is preschool teaching, but it doesn't clear-cut entire forests, and endanger whole ecosystems, not most of the time anyway. Sorry, I'm not very interested in getting into the relative merits of loggers, I am sure they have many fine qualities, as do we all. Indeed, as a person who grew up in Oregon, I have known several fine upstanding loggers myself, smelliness not withstanding...maybe the one's you know don't chainsmoke and drink cheap scotch, during and after their 8 hours of honest labor.
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« Reply #70: April 30, 2008, 08:20:05 am »

So is preschool teaching, but it doesn't clear-cut entire forests, and endanger whole ecosystems, not most of the time anyway.

Most of the time, at least in First World countries, logging really isn't as permanently damaging to the ecosystem as many claim.  In fact, thanks to reforestation programs managed by logging companies, there is more forested land in the US now than there was 100 years ago. The danger comes from unregulated or under-regulated logging. Even in third world countries, most of the deforestation isn't done by logging companies but by slash and burning low tech farming.  People always bitch about logging in the Amazon, for example -- and while it could use closeer regulation, the real danger is the expansion of slash-n-burn farming.
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« Reply #71: April 30, 2008, 09:36:24 am »

Most of the time, at least in First World countries, logging really isn't as permanently damaging to the ecosystem as many claim.  In fact, thanks to reforestation programs managed by logging companies, there is more forested land in the US now than there was 100 years ago. The danger comes from unregulated or under-regulated logging. Even in third world countries, most of the deforestation isn't done by logging companies but by slash and burning low tech farming.  People always bitch about logging in the Amazon, for example -- and while it could use closeer regulation, the real danger is the expansion of slash-n-burn farming.

I think this is highly debatable, but of course this not the right thread for that at all. Suffice for me to say that there is plenty of evidence to the contrary, re: the logging companies, and the success of managed forestry, particularly in the northwest united states. For me personally, it made me quite sad as a child to drive past whole mountains where every tree had been cut down. When I go to Oregon today and see those hillsides, it's true they have grown back, for the most part, but they are obviously not the same nor will they ever be.

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« Reply #72: April 30, 2008, 11:08:51 am »

So is preschool teaching, but it doesn't clear-cut entire forests, and endanger whole ecosystems, not most of the time anyway. Sorry, I'm not very interested in getting into the relative merits of loggers, I am sure they have many fine qualities, as do we all. Indeed, as a person who grew up in Oregon, I have known several fine upstanding loggers myself, smelliness not withstanding...maybe the one's you know don't chainsmoke and drink cheap scotch, during and after their 8 hours of honest labor.

As a matter of fact, I have an uncle that makes a good deal of his living from logging.  He's never clear-cut a thing in his life.  He doesn't smoke, rarely drinks and is generally one of the kindest people I know.  I think that there are a lot of problems with poor timber management, and my uncle and I don't always agree but what constitutes poor timber management, doesn't make him a bad person. 

If you aren't interested in "getting into the relative merits of loggers", you shouldn't make blanket statements about their smell, their smoking and their drinking habits.  Your degradation of individual loggers for a systemic problem is akin to blaming Sgt. Smith and Private Jones for the Iraq war. 

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« Reply #73: April 30, 2008, 07:47:19 pm »

If you aren't interested in "getting into the relative merits of loggers", you shouldn't make blanket statements about their smell, their smoking and their drinking habits.  Your degradation of individual loggers for a systemic problem is akin to blaming Sgt. Smith and Private Jones for the Iraq war. 

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"Indeed, as a person who grew up in Oregon, I have known several fine upstanding loggers myself"

Now, the ones I knew were my mom's AA friends...and they were great guys, but yes, they stank to high heaven. I am sure your uncle was a very fine man. But when I see those ads for Axe Men, all I can think is "shoooooey, I bet I know what that guy smells like." So yes. I have a bit of a bias there, on tv. But not against your uncle.
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« Reply #74: April 30, 2008, 08:20:48 pm »

Maybe you didn't read my post carefully...
I said:

"Indeed, as a person who grew up in Oregon, I have known several fine upstanding loggers myself"

Actually I did read your post carefully.  The entirety of that sentence was :

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Indeed, as a person who grew up in Oregon, I have known several fine upstanding loggers myself, smelliness not withstanding...maybe the one's you know don't chainsmoke and drink cheap scotch, during and after their 8 hours of honest labor.

When you follow the first part of that sentence with comments about chainsmoking and drinking cheap alcohol on the job, it seems that the first part of your sentence was meant sarcastically.  This is especially true considering your tone towards the loggers throughout the rest of this thread.  Had you said something like "I know that not all loggers are like the ones drinking and smoking on tv." or "I knew some upstanding loggers.  I also knew others that were chainsmoking alcoholics." your meaning would have been much clearer. 

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