The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum (Archive Board)
September 28, 2022, 05:22:31 am *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: This is our Read Only Archive Board (closed to posting July 2011). Join our new vBulletin board!
 
  Portal   Forum   Help Rules Search Chat (Mux) Articles Login Register   *

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
September 28, 2022, 05:22:31 am

Login with username, password and session length
Donate!
The Cauldron's server is expensive and requires monthly payments. Please become a Bronze, Silver or Gold Donor if you can. Donations are needed every month. Without member support, we can't afford the server.
TC Staff
Important Information about this Archive Board
This message board is The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum's SMF Archive Board. It is closed to new memberships and to posting, but there are over 250,000 messages here that you can still search and read -- many full of interesting and useful information. (This board was open from February 2007 through June 2011).

Our new vBulletin discussion board is located at http://www.ecauldron.com/forum/ -- if you would like to participate in discussions like those you see here, please visit our new vBulletin message board, register an account and join in our discussions. We hope you will find the information in this message archive useful and will consider joining us on our new board.
Pages: [1] 2   Go Down
  Add bookmark  |  Print  
Author Topic: Wicca a religion of clergy? Something I don't get...  (Read 8099 times)
Jenett
High Adept Member
******
Last Login:June 20, 2022, 04:12:33 pm
United States United States

Religion: Priestess in initiatory religious witchcraft tradition
Posts: 2506


Blog entries (1)

WWW

Ignore
« Reply #10: March 09, 2008, 07:48:40 pm »

So you have a female Highpriest or did I misinterpret your post? I know not all covens work with gender polarity in the materialistic way, but, ahem, does that mean your female Highpriest embodies a male Highpriest or why isn't she called Co-Highpriestess or Vize-Highpriestess... Huh

Good question, and let me try and break it down. (Note that I usually identify the trad I work in as 'Wiccan influenced' because we're not British Traditional Wiccan, and this is one of the reasons why, but a bit more explanation when we get there.)

The tradition I work in uses the term "High priestess" for a particular set of energetic roles, and "High priest" for another set. Comfort with and general preference for these roles *tends* to run along gender lines (whether that's because of internal factors or social training is not as clear) - hence, the HPS tends to be more energetically receptive, and the HP role tends to be more energetically projective. These roles cover things in circle (managing the energy of the circle, deity calls, roles in the Great Rite), but also cover (as in this case, where there's an ongoing group) roles outside of the circle - particular kinds of group maintainance work, keeping things running, etc.

As part of our training, we have to learn all four roles (HPS, HP, and Handmaiden and Summoner, which are also traditionally gender linked - partly because they're seen as 'apprentice' roles for the HPS and HP). But for most of us, there's one or the other role set we feel much more comfortable with.

I am very much over on the HPS side. I'm a capable Handmaiden and an adequate Summoner. I struggle the most with the HP role: it feels very foreign to me, like I'm speaking in a language I've only studied briefly. While this would probably get better if I did more with it, it's pretty clear it will never get as comfortable for me as HPSing, which is my 'native' language in a lot of ways.

My covenmate, on the other hand, runs the other way: she has HPSed, and been HM - but she's also far more comfortable with the projective energy work than I am.

Now, we're a coven of two right now. We certainly intend to expand, and my hope and desire is to get actual men in the group. (Unlike many of the coven I'm hiving from, my covenmate and I are somewhat more interested in exploring explicitly gender polarity, but as one option among others.) My covenmate is not interested in long-term running a group - she is interested in helping me put things together, and try things out. She's happy to step aside should another appropriate candidate appear. (Divination from multiple sources suggests this is fairly likely, so while we aren't relying on that, we are making sure our plans accomodate it.)

(There's also the purely practical argument here: I'm a 3rd degree with the right to form an autonomous coven in the tradition, and certain obligations. She's a 2nd degree, and doesn't have some of those obligations yet, and any coven she ran would formally be under someone else's light supervision.)

There is a tradition in traditional Wicca that you can have a coven with a high priestess (who handles running the coven, and who borrows a HP when needed for rituals where one is actually required), but you can't work the other way around (a HP with no priestess.) There's all sorts of theories about this - some arguments have to do with the potential for fertility and creation and nuturing, the sense of creating a 'home' on multiple levels that is often part of the HPS's role, and so on. (And I've got a whole theory that ties back to the development of the courtly love concept and the idealised roles of the lady and lord.)

But in the meantime, there are some practical things: we want to include the Great Rite in symbol so that I, especially, get more comfortable with running the energy for it. It's really silly (and otherwise problematic) to have a circle with one person doing all the invocations and work, and the other person standing there, and having her in the HP role means we have a clear way to split that up. So, instead of us saying "We have an HPS, and an initiate" we have designated her as HP, with the roles/responsibilities/etc. that come with that. It's an easier shorthand.
Logged

Blog: Thoughts from a threshold: http://gleewood.org/threshold
Info for seekers: http://gleewood.org/seeking
Pagan books and resources: http://gleewood.org/books

Welcome, Guest!
You will need to register and/or login to participate in our discussions.

Read our Rules and Policies and the Quoting Guidelines.

Help Fund Our Server? Donate to Lyricfox's Cancer Fund?

Tags:
Pages: [1] 2   Go Up
  Add bookmark  |  Print  
 
Jump to:  
  Portal   Forum   Help Rules Search Chat (Mux) Articles Login Register   *

* Share this topic...
In a forum
(BBCode)
In a site/blog
(HTML)


Related Topics
Subject Started by Replies Views Last post
What is Clergy? « 1 2 3 »
Pagan Religions
HeartShadow - Cutethulhu 40 15364 Last post March 10, 2010, 12:31:32 pm
by Grins
Clergy (& others) as Intercessors « 1 2 »
Pagan Spirituality
joshuatenpenny 18 8354 Last post November 06, 2007, 09:41:09 pm
by Go
Lay pagans vs. clergy
Pagan Spirituality
Nehet 12 6191 Last post August 07, 2008, 10:54:58 am
by Nehet
Wicca - Religion vs Lifestyle « 1 2 »
Faith in Everyday Life
AmberHeart 27 10624 Last post March 13, 2010, 06:56:50 pm
by AmberHeart
Christian Clergy Member Apologizes for Attitude Toward Pagans
Religious News
Asch 3 2584 Last post May 26, 2011, 06:00:38 pm
by skyth
EU Cookie Notice: This site uses cookies. By using this site you consent to their use.


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines
TinyPortal v0.9.8 © Bloc
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.185 seconds with 39 queries.