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« Topic Start: March 17, 2008, 11:09:00 pm »

...I give you The Christian Guide to Fantasy

I would've posted it elsewhere but it was too much like a Chick Tract not to be funny.  Scroll down to a glossary of terms and read what it says about various sub-genres.
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« Reply #1: March 18, 2008, 01:14:51 am »


Somebody over there needs to have their wrist slapped for actually using words like "authoress".

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« Reply #2: March 18, 2008, 01:56:35 am »


Strange. Very strange.

While browsing through Amazon, I came upon another anthology of retold Fairy Tales, called Kissing the Witch : Old Tales in New Skins by a lady named Emma Donoghue. Without having read the book, merely the reviews, I'd strongly caution to stay away from not only this work, but her others as well. Apparently she not only gives Freud a run for his money in her versions of classic legends, but she also introduces feminist and lesbian themes.
(emphasis mine; scroll to the bottom of the page)

What the hell? After only reading reviews, you can caution that people stay away from this book and others by the same author? Reviews? Come on. How stupid do you think we are??
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« Reply #3: March 18, 2008, 02:01:55 am »


By the way, Mel, I got a nasty headache while trying to make sense of that website.  Roll Eyes

Just wanted you to know. Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #4: March 18, 2008, 06:52:10 am »

...I give you The Christian Guide to Fantasy

I would've posted it elsewhere but it was too much like a Chick Tract not to be funny.  Scroll down to a glossary of terms and read what it says about various sub-genres.

wow.  I particularly like the Christian moral guideline thing.  Just in case you're considering buying one of those books.  *snort*
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« Reply #5: March 18, 2008, 06:53:02 am »


oh yeah.  and what the hell is secular paganism, anyway?  *rolls eyes*
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« Reply #6: March 18, 2008, 07:51:27 am »

oh yeah.  and what the hell is secular paganism, anyway?  *rolls eyes*

I have no clue but I laughed every time I saw it.  Am I the only one who finds the humor in this?

I think I might write a parody of the glossary later today and post it here.
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« Reply #7: March 18, 2008, 08:18:19 am »

...I give you The Christian Guide to Fantasy

I would've posted it elsewhere but it was too much like a Chick Tract not to be funny.  Scroll down to a glossary of terms and read what it says about various sub-genres.

Perhaps I'm feeling unusually tolerant, but other than a silly approach to reviewing/rating the books and overly sensitive readings of sex/magic/morality... I'm not too bothered by it. But perhaps it's because I've read a ton of the books they mention on here and love them, and so feel good when other people love and highly recommend them, despite some of the more questionable (and, again, overly sensitive) thoughts about them here.

However, I do have two thoughts:

1) Her praise of Robin McKinley is based on a seemingly thorough reading of her books--all but Sunshine. Her convictions that "she has some admittedly pro-feminist tendencies, which sometimes get in the way of an otherwise interesting story" will certainly get a run for their money in that book, as will her frustration with the presence of other deities, magic, sex and... uh... lots of other stuff. Can't wait to see that review.

2) I like her blurb on Mercedes Lackey: "why bother?"  Cheesy
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« Reply #8: March 18, 2008, 08:32:26 am »

Perhaps I'm feeling unusually tolerant, but other than a silly approach to reviewing/rating the books and overly sensitive readings of sex/magic/morality... I'm not too bothered by it. But perhaps it's because I've read a ton of the books they mention on here and love them, and so feel good when other people love and highly recommend them, despite some of the more questionable (and, again, overly sensitive) thoughts about them here.

Yeah, I can understand that.  I was surprised that she gave Harry Potter good reviews.

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2) I like her blurb on Mercedes Lackey: "why bother?"  Cheesy

Well of course, it's widely known that Lackey writes about gay men and feminists who use magic and she wouldn't like it anyway.
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« Reply #9: March 18, 2008, 08:49:23 am »

...I give you The Christian Guide to Fantasy

I would've posted it elsewhere but it was too much like a Chick Tract not to be funny.  Scroll down to a glossary of terms and read what it says about various sub-genres.

I just looked through the reviews of a number of authors and books I'm familiar with and actually think the reviews part of the site is pretty good. The review authors have obvious read the books they are reviewing and realize they are FICTION. Sure, they report on what they like and don't like about the book from a Christian point-of-view, but the reviews themselves generally seem to be reports on the books, not screeds. Some ever say books that they think are "dangerous" from a Christian POV are good reads. The glossary is no worse than I've seen elsewhere aand where they use multiple sentences, fairly accurate. I didn't bother to look at the forum for lack of time and as I suspect that will be where all the fundie loons hang out.
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« Reply #10: March 18, 2008, 08:55:11 am »

Well of course, it's widely known that Lackey writes about gay men and feminists who use magic and she wouldn't like it anyway.

Heh. I think I started one of hers, but never finished it. However, based on the recommendations here, I might try looking for some of her fairy-tale retellings. I love retellings.

However, let's hope that it won't be a retelling a la Gregory Maguire of Wicked... *crosses fingers*

I am probably being unfair to Wicked, seeing as I couldn't finish it when I tried to read it. I just felt ripped off: pretentious fan fiction never does much for me; pretentious, intruding, "look at me, I'm intelligent!" authors really aggravate me, and above all, it should have been something I loved--I love retellings.

In another year or two, I'll pick it up and give it another chance. Hopefully the "professorliness" of the author will have grown on me and be far more tolerable.
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« Reply #11: March 18, 2008, 08:57:41 am »

2) I like her blurb on Mercedes Lackey: "why bother?"  Cheesy

Sadly, I have to agree any more. Misty's early books were good readings. Now she seems to churn them out so fast that they mostly read like first drafts and the recycling of story elements is so obvious.
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« Reply #12: March 18, 2008, 09:07:24 am »

However, let's hope that it won't be a retelling a la Gregory Maguire of Wicked... *crosses fingers*

The ones I've read haven't been, that I recall.  Then again, I found Wicked all-but-unreadable for completely different reasons, so YMMV.  (Pretentious it may have been, but I never got past the constant crudeness-for-the-sake-of-crudeness and what I felt was pretty bad writing in some places to see the pretention.  The worst part was, I was actually fairly interested in the story despite its flaws...  But the flaws really got in the way for me.)
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« Reply #13: March 18, 2008, 09:09:00 am »

Heh. I think I started one of hers, but never finished it. However, based on the recommendations here, I might try looking for some of her fairy-tale retellings. I love retellings.

I really wouldn't bother.

The first one, _Fire Rose_, was enjoyable.  and the latest, _Reserved for the Cat_ actually wasn't bad.  But a LOT of them are awful.  The sleeping beauty one, the plot didn't start until at LEAST halfway into the book.  And some of the others just made no sense at all.

If you like retellings, I'd go with McKinley.  hers are actually well-done.
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« Reply #14: March 18, 2008, 09:12:12 am »

Sadly, I have to agree any more. Misty's early books were good readings. Now she seems to churn them out so fast that they mostly read like first drafts and the recycling of story elements is so obvious.

*sigh*  Yeah.  I was an avid fan of hers back in the mid-to-late 90's, starting about the time she was publishing the Mage Winds trilogy in the Valdemar series.  At the time I picked up nearly every new book of hers (particularly in that series) just on principle, but in retrospect I think that might have been about when she hit her peak for me.  There were some of the later Valdemar books that I didn't even bother with despite still being an avid fan at the time they came out, because...  Well, even to an avid fan they just weren't any good.  There have been some since that have been better and reminded me of the early books, but...  She's just not on my "must read everything!" list anymore.  And part of that is maybe me moving on in life, but a big part of it is the quality of her writing as well.

(Apologies for the focus on Valdemar; that's been my main exposure to her.)
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