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« Reply #15: March 18, 2008, 09:15:32 am »

The first one, _Fire Rose_, was enjoyable.  and the latest, _Reserved for the Cat_ actually wasn't bad.  But a LOT of them are awful.  The sleeping beauty one, the plot didn't start until at LEAST halfway into the book.  And some of the others just made no sense at all.

*shrug*  I remember enjoying most of the ones I've read--but then it's been a while.  There are also a couple outside the Elemental Masters series, though I don't recall whether I liked them or not.

Gates of Sleep was probably the weakest one in my dim memory, though.  Fire Rose I don't remember very well, but I suspect it was better than most if only because it was published much earlier, back in the days before her writing started to slip.
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« Reply #16: March 18, 2008, 09:25:06 am »

*shrug*  I remember enjoying most of the ones I've read--but then it's been a while.  There are also a couple outside the Elemental Masters series, though I don't recall whether I liked them or not.

Gates of Sleep was probably the weakest one in my dim memory, though.  Fire Rose I don't remember very well, but I suspect it was better than most if only because it was published much earlier, back in the days before her writing started to slip.

Part of the additional problem with them is that she just takes ANYTHING and throws it in.  So the first book was cohesive - and then she went "ooh, pretty" and started adding to the world.  And adding.  And adding.

and it's gotten to the point where it makes no damn SENSE.  And some of it directly contradicts what was said before.  And half of England is for some reason involved with magic in some way or another.
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« Reply #17: March 18, 2008, 09:42:11 am »

oh yeah.  and what the hell is secular paganism, anyway?  *rolls eyes*
I was hoping there'd be a definition in the glossary.  Instead, they felt the need to tell me what Science Fiction is.  Roll Eyes

Actually, this site wasn't too bad.  I mean, it's a given that they don't recommend anything that offends their sensibilities (sex, violence, non-Christian religions), but that is what the site is for.  Their reviews, for the most part, seemed pretty straightforward. 

Some of the things they had to say about MZB were rather amusing/annoying, though.  Not that I expected a strong recommendation of Mists of Avalon from them, but I did find the repeated use of "feminazi" irritating.  (That's one of those terms that will cause me to immediately dismiss anything the person using it has to say.) 
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« Reply #18: March 18, 2008, 07:25:52 pm »

*sigh*  Yeah.  I was an avid fan of hers back in the mid-to-late 90's, starting about the time she was publishing the Mage Winds trilogy in the Valdemar series.  At the time I picked up nearly every new book of hers (particularly in that series) just on principle, but in retrospect I think that might have been about when she hit her peak for me.  There were some of the later Valdemar books that I didn't even bother with despite still being an avid fan at the time they came out, because...  Well, even to an avid fan they just weren't any good.  There have been some since that have been better and reminded me of the early books, but...  She's just not on my "must read everything!" list anymore.  And part of that is maybe me moving on in life, but a big part of it is the quality of her writing as well.

(Apologies for the focus on Valdemar; that's been my main exposure to her.)

You know, I had the exact same experience. I picked up the first Mage Winds book as a travel novel, and by a year later I'd read pretty much everything she had out. And she was fairly decent over the next few years, though not on the level of Bujold or Tepper (also, ML really seems to like the word "infatuation". Sorry, that just bugs me.) I figure she ran into trouble when she finished her big "world arc" (winds, gryphon, storms, owl; all integrated in plot and themes) and then ... lacked direction. Or burned herself out, or something. It's kind of sad, really; I still read everything she releases because I think she's good at descriptions, but I've stopped expecting much of the plots. Sad
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« Reply #19: March 18, 2008, 08:02:28 pm »

You know, I had the exact same experience. I picked up the first Mage Winds book as a travel novel, and by a year later I'd read pretty much everything she had out. And she was fairly decent over the next few years, though not on the level of Bujold or Tepper (also, ML really seems to like the word "infatuation". Sorry, that just bugs me.) I figure she ran into trouble when she finished her big "world arc" (winds, gryphon, storms, owl; all integrated in plot and themes) and then ... lacked direction. Or burned herself out, or something. It's kind of sad, really; I still read everything she releases because I think she's good at descriptions, but I've stopped expecting much of the plots. Sad

I read them (though I don't buy them) out of sick curiosity.  I don't know what it is.  It's like I want to howl at the badness.

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« Reply #20: March 18, 2008, 08:35:52 pm »

oh yeah.  and what the hell is secular paganism, anyway?  *rolls eyes*

I think it's similar to the phrase "secular humanism" ("Secular" meaning not of the church) that John Hagee (of TBN) is forever saying.  I think it's just an emphasis that paganism (and humanism for that matter) are not part of the church or is "second" to the church.


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« Reply #21: March 18, 2008, 08:38:41 pm »

I think it's similar to the phrase "secular humanism" ("Secular" meaning not of the church) that John Hagee (of TBN) is forever saying.  I think it's just an emphasis that paganism (and humanism for that matter) are not part of the church or is "second" to the church.


Clear as mud?

I think it just sounds more spooky.  those Pagans!  they'll be dating your children and raping the sheep!  oh no!  *snort*

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« Reply #22: March 18, 2008, 08:44:03 pm »

I think it just sounds more spooky.  those Pagans!  they'll be dating your children and raping the sheep!  oh no!  *snort*

<-- has never once raped a sheep.

Me either, lol.  Oh wow, another Ten Things I Hate About You moment (Are there sheep?!?!?).

And of course this phrase I heard at random from the tv...

"I don't know who brought the baby, but I'm gonna fry it up in a pan!"

(Add a bit of ginger and they are quite tasty!)
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« Reply #23: March 18, 2008, 10:02:20 pm »

If you like retellings, I'd go with McKinley.  hers are actually well-done.

I hear that. I still dream about retelling Beauty and the Beast myself--and stop when I think about Beauty again.  Cheesy
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« Reply #24: March 18, 2008, 10:03:58 pm »

The ones I've read haven't been, that I recall.  Then again, I found Wicked all-but-unreadable for completely different reasons, so YMMV.  (Pretentious it may have been, but I never got past the constant crudeness-for-the-sake-of-crudeness and what I felt was pretty bad writing in some places to see the pretention.  The worst part was, I was actually fairly interested in the story despite its flaws...  But the flaws really got in the way for me.)

I totally agree--it should have been great, and most of my good friends loved it--but I just couldn't get past him and get to the story.
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« Reply #25: March 18, 2008, 10:35:35 pm »

And of course this phrase I heard at random from the tv...

"I don't know who brought the baby, but I'm gonna fry it up in a pan!"

(Add a bit of ginger and they are quite tasty!)

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« Reply #26: March 18, 2008, 11:04:49 pm »

I hear that. I still dream about retelling Beauty and the Beast myself--and stop when I think about Beauty again.  Cheesy

Beauty is a wonderful book, but I think Rose Daughter (another McKinley retelling of Beauty and the Beast) is even better.  Her use of language is just...musical.
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« Reply #27: March 19, 2008, 12:09:35 am »

I think it just sounds more spooky.  those Pagans!  they'll be dating your children and raping the sheep!  oh no!  *snort*

<-- has never once raped a sheep.

Tis a good thing you don't live in Montana then...

Montana....where the women are scarce, the men are men, the sheep have nerve problems and the lambs all run around saying, "daaaa-aaaaady, daaaaa-aaaaaady"

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