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« Topic Start: March 18, 2008, 03:01:17 am »

Every single time I get interested in Wicca, I get hung up on the fact that I feel I must begin by cleaning my room. Blankets everywhere, books in piles, dirty clothes strewn all across the futon I sleep upon; it just doesn't feel like a ritual space. But cleaning my room is difficult. I am the type of person who nests. Does anybody else ever feel this way, and find it to make even making a start at wicca (to see if it might be the spiritual path that fits) because I stuck folding clothes instead?

Alternatively, does anybody have an idea about any rituals that would make cleaning an exeptionally dissorganized space easier?
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« Reply #1: March 18, 2008, 03:43:55 am »

Hmm...not sure I can help. Do you feel comfortable in your mess or is it just a problem with Wicca?

It may help to confide the mess to special parts of your room. For example I pile library books because of the lack of shelf space (and the hugeness of exam book piling...), but I pile them all in a specific corner so they are not in my way.

Why not throw the clothes in a basket, so they are contained?

Of course I can concentrate better outside on a meadow without any academic books present reminding me to learn, but I wouldn't do rituals in the public park, just Tai Chi Quan.
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« Reply #2: March 18, 2008, 03:58:35 am »

Hmm...not sure I can help. Do you feel comfortable in your mess or is it just a problem with Wicca?

It may help to confide the mess to special parts of your room. For example I pile library books because of the lack of shelf space (and the hugeness of exam book piling...), but I pile them all in a specific corner so they are not in my way.

Why not throw the clothes in a basket, so they are contained?

Of course I can concentrate better outside on a meadow without any academic books present reminding me to learn, but I wouldn't do rituals in the public park, just Tai Chi Quan.

Good question. I feel comfortable enough in my mess, until I start to feel disgusting. There is a fine balance. Right now, I am definitely too far on the disgusting side of things. This is the second or third time I've gotten interested in wicca, to the point of designing a ritual, a basic grounding sort of thing, at which point I start cleaning my room. And never really get around to any sort of rituals at all, forget about it for another year, until I read something that makes me interested again. And I have to begin in my room, because I am currently living at home and I don't want my siblings to laugh at me. It would probably put me off for another year.

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« Reply #3: March 18, 2008, 07:54:34 am »

Good question. I feel comfortable enough in my mess, until I start to feel disgusting. There is a fine balance. Right now, I am definitely too far on the disgusting side of things. This is the second or third time I've gotten interested in wicca, to the point of designing a ritual, a basic grounding sort of thing, at which point I start cleaning my room. And never really get around to any sort of rituals at all, forget about it for another year, until I read something that makes me interested again. And I have to begin in my room, because I am currently living at home and I don't want my siblings to laugh at me. It would probably put me off for another year.



It sounds like it just needs to be done.  You can procrastinate only so long.  Until you weed out your physical mess I can see how it might be hard to feel like you have clear mind space.  Your personal space sounds like an important ritual tool for you and isn't going to serve you if you don't maintain it. 

It also helps you to get a strong sense of who you are, when you can see all of the things that you've collected over the years, what was important enough to save and keep nice, what you can bear to part with in the name of crowd control.

Cleaning your space is a bit of a personal assessment, think of it as taking inventory of your life and maybe it will go faster and be more enjoyable.
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« Reply #4: March 18, 2008, 09:50:17 am »

This is the second or third time I've gotten interested in wicca, to the point of designing a ritual, a basic grounding sort of thing, at which point I start cleaning my room. And never really get around to any sort of rituals at all, forget about it for another year, until I read something that makes me interested again. And I have to begin in my room, because I am currently living at home and I don't want my siblings to laugh at me. It would probably put me off for another year.
I must support the cleaning of your room (I'm a parent- it's in the job description Cheesy ) If you really feel a need to get your room clean before you start you could try asking someone to lend a hand. I've been known to ask my mom for help in the housework department- even as an adult! Of course if you've got stuff in there you'd rather your parent not know about then asking them for help isn't an option.

Also don't burn yourself out with Binge Cleaning, if you make a point of doing 15 minutes of cleaning in your room every day you will see a gradual, but lasting, improvement. This will be far more helpful than getting half, or a quarter, of the way done and just giving up. Trust me- I know from experience!

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« Reply #5: March 18, 2008, 09:58:08 am »

Also don't burn yourself out with Binge Cleaning, if you make a point of doing 15 minutes of cleaning in your room every day you will see a gradual, but lasting, improvement. This will be far more helpful than getting half, or a quarter, of the way done and just giving up. Trust me- I know from experience!

Another thing I found helpful in the days when my room generally answered to the descriptions "pigsty" and "looks like a tornado hit it", but needed cleaned, was to divide the room into sections to work on.  If I could get one section done, I felt like I'd accomplished something and the rest of the task didn't seem so overwhelming.
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« Reply #6: March 18, 2008, 10:08:37 am »

I am the type of person who nests. Does anybody else ever feel this way, and find it to make even making a start at wicca (to see if it might be the spiritual path that fits) because I stuck folding clothes instead?

This is what I refer to as 'getting more Virgo in my increasing age' - I was born on the Virgo/Libra cusp. Back in college, my friends laid bets on how long it'd take for my roommate and I to no longer have visible floor space. These days (at 32) I'm as you describe: I have a horrible time doing ritual (or writing, or a few other kinds of things) when things are untidy.

Mostly, I cope and clean. For example, I'm hosting our Ostara ritual on Thursday, so I'm spending time this week making sure everything is clean and ready for that, and using it as an excuse for a really thorough spring cleaning in the process. Doing that means I can get by with fairly minimal upkeep for a week or two, too.

As far as nesting - I've found that layout and fabric choices make a huge difference to me. I *always* have books all over the place, but they don't bug me if they're in tidy stacks. (More bookshelves would be nice, but I'm running out of potential places to put them.) The comfort of my bed matters a lot to me - it's always got flannel sheets except at the height of summer, specific pillows, etc. But I feel less inclined to nest and strew things all over the rest of my space when that's true.

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Alternatively, does anybody have an idea about any rituals that would make cleaning an exeptionally dissorganized space easier?

One thing to think about is that 'disorganized' is not the same as 'messy' - and that neither of these are automatically the opposite of 'sterile'. It's possible to have a tidy place with tons of things close at hand. Things I've found make a lot of difference to me involve having things up off the floor (other than neat piles of library books or stuff currently being read by the bed) and keeping the things on shelves reasonably tidy.

If you look at shots of my current home here: http://pics.livejournal.com/jenett/gallery/0001hxaw you can see I have bunches of 'stuff', and that it's not a sterile Home Beautiful setting - but that everything's tidy. (for scale: I live in a 400 square foot space: it's like a studio apartment, but it's detatched from any other building. Smaller than many garages, these days.)

The other part is to make the cleaning part into a ritual in and of itself; a chance to get rid of stagnation and bring in new energy and freshness and change.
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« Reply #7: March 18, 2008, 10:12:19 am »

Mostly, I cope and clean.

Adding to my own comment here: I did find that looking at various cleaning methods helped me figure things out. FlyLady is one that a lot of people I know have poked at. A lot of the specifics don't work for me (a lot of her system is designed for women who are at home at least part time, and who have kids.) but the concepts - breaking things down into 15 segments, figuring out where you tend to dump things and paying special attention to those areas, keeping one space in your home/space particularly clean, and then letting yourself say "Oh, if I cleaned 'place next to that' that whole area would look better", etc. work really well for me.

I'm a process geek, so I spend some time reading different approaches and such - and then apply the bits that seem to work for me.
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« Reply #8: March 18, 2008, 03:14:29 pm »

These days (at 32) I'm as you describe: I have a horrible time doing ritual (or writing, or a few other kinds of things) when things are untidy.
Whereas I got something quite different from Aidan's question:  that he, generally speaking, is fine with, and even prefers, the untidiness (at least up to a point), but the books he's reading are all saying, "If your space is untidy, it indicates that your mind and practice are sloppy!  Can't practice without a tidy space, it's improper and will mess up your ritual!  But if you tidy your space, it will automatically follow that your mind/practice are tidy!"  Not in so many words, but that's how it comes across - I'm an untidy-but-organized person myself (with a tidy-but-disorganized mother), so the implication that the appearance of neatness was more important to my witchiness than either being comfortable or being able to find stuff really ticked me off, back when I was young and relatively new to this stuff.

Since my reading of the question may be influenced by my own biases on the subject, I'll leave it at that until Aidan clarifies.

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« Reply #9: March 18, 2008, 06:27:58 pm »

If you look at shots of my current home here

I was so happy to find that someone else has a shelf specifically of "bad books I keep so I can quote accurately exactly why they're bad"!   Cheesy

In terms of tidiness and ritual, I don't do ritual so this doesn't really affect me much.  And I live in a small house with 5 people, 8 cats, and a dog, so tidiness is a struggle.  However, I find that it's really important to my spiritual study and work to keep a specific shelf neat and clean, as well as my bed (where I do almost all of my reading/studying/spritual work).  So maybe starting with one specific *small* area and cleaning and arranging it with the purpose of using it for ritual would be a helpful start.  Just clean one small table off and set up your altar (or whatever) and see if that helps.  Then, if you want more space, work out from there.  You might find that a small space is all you really need.
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« Reply #10: March 18, 2008, 07:57:41 pm »

Another thing I found helpful in the days when my room generally answered to the descriptions "pigsty" and "looks like a tornado hit it", but needed cleaned, was to divide the room into sections to work on.  If I could get one section done, I felt like I'd accomplished something and the rest of the task didn't seem so overwhelming.

An alternative (which I do) is to clean up one type of thing at a time: all the dishes, and only the dishes one time, only the clothes the next time and so on. Also, if you don't know where to start, that usually means it doesn't matter where you start, so just do the first thing that comes into your head. And good luck  Grin
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« Reply #11: March 18, 2008, 08:42:58 pm »

Not in so many words, but that's how it comes across - I'm an untidy-but-organized person myself (with a tidy-but-disorganized mother), so the implication that the appearance of neatness was more important to my witchiness than either being comfortable or being able to find stuff really ticked me off, back when I was young and relatively new to this stuff.

Oh, good point.

Me, I'm the child of an obsessively neat *and* organized mother (just ask Darkhawk, who visited home with me at one point, and who was deeply disturbed, though more by the fridge than anything else), and as I mentioned, was very much in the organized but so-not-tidy camp growing up. The last few years, though - more or less since my 1st degree, though it might be coincidental - I've been feeling much more pushed towards tidy, as well.

(This is honestly tedious and frustrating, sometimes, because I have a hard time getting some things done until I go and tidy, but I'm still building ongoing 'keep things tidy' habits: they're not instinctive for me at all. Mmph.)

I agree - clarification helpful, though!
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« Reply #12: March 18, 2008, 08:49:30 pm »

I was so happy to find that someone else has a shelf specifically of "bad books I keep so I can quote accurately exactly why they're bad"!   Cheesy

My covenmate refers to them as my shelf of books of ill repute, which I like very much.

They're very handy to have, anyway, but I do sort of feel I need to label why I have them.
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« Reply #13: March 19, 2008, 03:50:35 am »

I'm an untidy-but-organized person myself (with a tidy-but-disorganized mother), so the implication that the appearance of neatness was more important to my witchiness than either being comfortable or being able to find stuff really ticked me off, back when I was young and relatively new to this stuff.

Oh, let me add a resounding "Yessss."  I'd go so far as to say that every book I've read on the subject has gone here.  I've even got a book on coming to grips with your menstrual cycle that reminds the reader to clean up their lives.  I roll my eyes and roll my eyes, but then when it comes time to actually doing anything, I start feeling a little guilty.  And this has just infuriated me; guilt is not something I feel my spiritual practice is about.  I am who I am, and who says my bed has to be made?

I do like things clean, but I can't bring myself to me constantly tidying.  I tend to do the semi-annual big cleaning binge... usually as a form of emotional release.  (I rage-clean.)   I had a big change in my life recently, and 3/4s of my stuff got carted down to Goodwill.  It was very cathartic, my place is really sparse now... and there's going to be laundry on the floor tonight, because I'm going to leave it right where it falls off me before I stagger into bed, dammit.Cheesy

What is tidy anyway?  I've decided that my personal definition is that a) I have room to move comfortably, b) I don't have anything rotting/smelling/getting bent or broken due to untidyness, and c) I can find things I need.  For a more formal occasion - such as a ritual involving inviting deity - a little extra effort is only polite.  I ought to sweep and throw the dirty laundry in the hamper.  But I don't hold with the idea that energy "can't float around" and becomes "stale" because of clutter.  I've lived in some TINY, cluttered little places. 

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« Reply #14: March 21, 2008, 02:24:19 pm »

Alternatively, does anybody have an idea about any rituals that would make cleaning an exeptionally dissorganized space easier?

if you can't be bothered cleaning then why not take your ritual outside?

Find somewhere nice, use the earth as your altar and perform the ritual there.
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