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« Reply #30: March 30, 2008, 07:14:14 am »

He wasn't an ascetic saint personally, quite a womanizer (I guess they must have liked the sparkling in his eyes) and he loved to smoke big cigarres.  Wink

I love that play too. He also wrote some of the most beautiful (and sad & critical) poems and songs of German literature. Some of my favorites are part of the 'Hauspostille' (house...something in English, I don't know).

And speaking of German accents (refering to a PM), you can tell he's from Bavaria by his English. Once I heard a record of a hearing in the US (McCarthy era), where he had to answer questions like 'Have you ever been a member of a communist party?' It's quite a laugh, on more than one level.

I've never heard him speak before, and unfortunately I haven't heard that interview! But I've often thought that it is rather odd that I have only read his plays in English. I often wonder to myself whether the words can create a whole new meaning when in German...hmm...
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« Reply #31: March 30, 2008, 07:48:27 am »

I've never heard him speak before, and unfortunately I haven't heard that interview! But I've often thought that it is rather odd that I have only read his plays in English. I often wonder to myself whether the words can create a whole new meaning when in German...hmm...
He has an impressive dense poetic language in German, but in a very naturalistic/realistic way. I've never seen it translated.

Alas, I'd rather read Dostojewski in the original, but I can't one word of Russian.
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« Reply #32: March 30, 2008, 11:04:21 am »

Please excuse anything I might be asking over, or anything that I could've found in an FAQ, but I feel that everyone has a very unique view, so I didn't bother looking. Regardless, just a couple weeks ago, my friend introduced me to Wiccan. I'm very intrigued by it. It feels like a very natural, and free religion. I've read a couple books on it, one from James Cunningham, and another by somebody else. I'm reading through, but I'm having a very difficult time fully appreciating everything. Ever since I was little, I've been a strict atheist. And my interest in a religion is suprising. But I like Wiccan because it's different than the other religions. There's no right or wrong, or some ever present God who decides to let a killer walk free, but lets a child die. I guess this is appealing because it's free. But to get back to my main problem. I can't really appreciate it. I guess it's been my closed-mindness that's left me in a state where I can't even imagine there being a higher power. I've been going to the park alot, sitting and just watching nature, but I can't really see where there can be divinity. Perhaps it's just all the modernization, and trash everywhere. I really don't know what's wrong. I want to believe in this more than anything. Can anyone help me? Or has anyone else had similar atheist - wiccan transitions?

I'd suggest you do some more reading, and do it with a little more attention.  SCOTT Cunningham is okay for introductions, but if you really want to learn what Wicca actually is, you need to read Gerald B Gardner, Stewart and Janet Farrar, Doreen Valiente, Robert Cochrane, Deborah Lipp, Patricia Crowther, Philip Heselton and Ronald Hutton.

The Rede is, as Randall pointed out, advice; it reminds the Wiccan that harmless actions are unrestricted, but implies the converse:  actions that cause harm are not.  Since some serious consideration will reveal that utterly harmless behavior is terribly terribly rare, that means that EVERY action must be evaluated and each initiate must decide if the result is worth the inevitable price.

The Law of Returns (some call it the Threefold Law) is the other half of the Rede:  it points out that, just as holding an apple over your head and releasing your grip will result in dented apple by your feet, EVERY SINGLE ACTION YOU TAKE will, inevitably, affect you, and probably in more than one way, and that it only makes sense to consider this when making decisions about what actions to take.

Wiccans don't have ten orders of what not to do; we have one reminder that anything we do can cause irreparable harm if we act thoughtlessly and without regard for consequences, and that since we are enjoined to do no harm, within the limits of mortal meat, we have to act consciously and responsibly.

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« Reply #33: March 30, 2008, 04:29:12 pm »

He has an impressive dense poetic language in German, but in a very naturalistic/realistic way. I've never seen it translated.

Alas, I'd rather read Dostojewski in the original, but I can't one word of Russian.

I can't read any Russian either, but unfortunately I also can't read any German *sigh*

The one word that always pops into my head when talking about Brecht (and I'm not even sure if it's a real word!) is the Verfremdungseffekt, also known as the 'alienation effect'. Basically, the way he distances audiences from the emotions of the play in order to make them realise the problems that are inherent in society ie; not be so caught up in the play that they don't realise that they are watching truth.

I have been almost certain that this word is made up, but I was taught to use it for my written exam on Brecht and it sure did get me marks. Is it a German word? Or is it just some odd mixture of German and English?
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« Reply #34: March 31, 2008, 02:07:59 am »

I can't read any Russian either, but unfortunately I also can't read any German *sigh*

The one word that always pops into my head when talking about Brecht (and I'm not even sure if it's a real word!) is the Verfremdungseffekt, also known as the 'alienation effect'. Basically, the way he distances audiences from the emotions of the play in order to make them realise the problems that are inherent in society ie; not be so caught up in the play that they don't realise that they are watching truth.

I have been almost certain that this word is made up, but I was taught to use it for my written exam on Brecht and it sure did get me marks. Is it a German word? Or is it just some odd mixture of German and English?

It's a real German word, but it was made up by Brecht, if I'm not mistaken. It's quite normal in German to compose a new word out of already existing ones especially in the sub-language of a specific field (like science, technology...).

So the word is in no way odd, even less than some current composed ones like 'Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahmen' (that one is composed of three German words and means 'making more jobs' - politicians use it).

'Effekt' is derived from Latin of course, but long before Brecht was even born.
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« Reply #35: March 31, 2008, 07:22:39 am »

It's a real German word, but it was made up by Brecht, if I'm not mistaken. It's quite normal in German to compose a new word out of already existing ones especially in the sub-language of a specific field (like science, technology...).

So the word is in no way odd, even less than some current composed ones like 'Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahmen' (that one is composed of three German words and means 'making more jobs' - politicians use it).

'Effekt' is derived from Latin of course, but long before Brecht was even born.

Gosh, I never knew that! That's really interesting. So what he did was compose a new word out of existing ones in order to create a word that would describe exactly what he was doing.

I wish we could do that in English.
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« Reply #36: March 31, 2008, 09:24:14 am »

Gosh, I never knew that! That's really interesting. So what he did was compose a new word out of existing ones in order to create a word that would describe exactly what he was doing.

I wish we could do that in English.
You do to some extent! You've got phrases like 'school rules', Germans just take this a few steps further.
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« Reply #37: March 31, 2008, 11:13:35 am »

You do to some extent! You've got phrases like 'school rules', Germans just take this a few steps further.

Hmm...that's true... I've never really thought about it before. But I wish we could get away with making words up like Brecht did with Verfremdungseffekt. It just explains the whole thing in one word. Simple.
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