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« Reply #15: March 29, 2008, 09:52:16 am »

I think I'd agree: I think that while CRs care for the earth very deeply, and seek good relations with the land spirits, it's not "earth-based." It's more like... being good neighbors.

Exactly. There's a difference between 'stewardship' and 'earth worship'. And I draw a very wide, very deep trench (not a line) between them.
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« Reply #16: March 29, 2008, 09:53:17 am »

I find they're more conductive than oh, say, plastic. Wink

Plastic is an energy damper.

Just wait until you get to hear my Gwyddon classes against the use of plastics. Grin
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« Reply #17: March 29, 2008, 09:54:40 am »

I have really only been exposed to pagan thought and practice that considers connecting to Earth as the Divine Mother and protecting the earth as a sacred right and responsibility

In Gwyddonics, as I think it was made clear in my post in the other thread, the Earth isn't considered the "Divine Mother". Our 'All Mother' is altogether different.
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« Reply #18: March 29, 2008, 10:05:33 am »

Plastic is an energy damper.

It makes me go *squick*. I don't like plastic in anything that I could use even remotely magically. Come to think of it, I collect blades and blades are something inherently magical to me. I will NOT have one with a plastic handle, with the exception of perhaps kitchen utensils.

The only time I will accept plastic in magical working is where it's unavoidable. For instance, my computer, my CD or MP3 player (these are all very magical things to me at times. In fact, my new laptop is going to be involved in a fair few rituals and will have 'special work' done to it so that it can work WITH me, if all goes well. My MP3 player is specifically dedicated to Brighid and is kept inside of Her shrine.) and the BBQ lighter that has become a ritual staple. Grin

With these things, plastic is a necessity. I've never seen a wooden computer yet! Grin

(Help! My inner geek is trying to escape! I'm tempted to explain WHY plastic is an energy damper in terms of molecular structure....Shocked)

Just wait until you get to hear my Gwyddon classes against the use of plastics. Grin

I can't wait! LOL

In Gwyddonics, as I think it was made clear in my post in the other thread, the Earth isn't considered the "Divine Mother". Our 'All Mother' is altogether different.

I totally agree. In fact, I strongly believe that many of the deities (and other beings as well) were around LONG before the earth was even in existence. (And by "strongly believe" I mean I will not be convinced otherwise. Grin)

The earth is sacred in that it's our home for now, that it is a part of all that is, and that it sustains life. But I certainly don't worship it as creator. That makes no sense to me.
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« Reply #19: March 29, 2008, 10:05:44 am »

My beliefs definitely are not earth-centered. I believe the earth is sacred, yes. I also believe that the things and people ON the earth are sacred.

I don't believe that the earth is any more sacred than other things...and I certainly do not worship the earth.

I'm the same as Dania on this one.

I believe the earth is sacred, but I also do not worship the earth. Hence, my religion is not 'earth-centred'. But then again, it is more of an earth-based religion that a lot of the Christians I know: which is perhaps why I often get the label attached to me and my religion as 'earth-centred'.

A lot of my Christian friends seem to believe that the earth is not sacred- it is in fact 'Eden gone wrong' and they cannot wait to get out of the world that we live in today. I, however, do believe the earth is sacred. Therefore they dub me as some sort of earth-worshipper. Doesn't bother me much, I take no offense.
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« Reply #20: March 29, 2008, 11:55:47 am »

With these things, plastic is a necessity. I've never seen a wooden computer yet!

Of course I had to go look...  Wink

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« Reply #21: March 29, 2008, 12:04:22 pm »

Sorry, but I don't have any.  My path is unique to me and I don't have the time or funds to build my own website dedicated to it.

ARe you blogging about it somewhere? I would love to hear more about it, if it is something you are interested in sharing. I am finding it is very important for me right now to learn more about people who are making their own way, spiritually.
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« Reply #22: March 29, 2008, 12:15:07 pm »

Of course I had to go look...  Wink

Wow! That's a first!

Honestly, when I was typing that, I thought "someone has probably built one..."

Way cool! Of course, Dell doesn't make wooden computers. Mine is plastic.
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« Reply #23: March 29, 2008, 12:22:56 pm »

ARe you blogging about it somewhere? I would love to hear more about it, if it is something you are interested in sharing. I am finding it is very important for me right now to learn more about people who are making their own way, spiritually.

Not at the moment.  I might start one when I have more time but right now I'm pretty much buried in school and the need to find a job.  So in essence, I don't have much time to write fiction let alone about religion.
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« Reply #24: March 29, 2008, 12:31:31 pm »

You might want to read these two threads over on our old DelphiForum (warning: ads, ads, and more ads)

Pagan Unity Campaign

New Definition of Paganism

Both touch on the fact that not all Pagan religions are "Earth Centered" -- and that some don't like being crammed into the "Earth Centered" hole at all. Wink

Thanks very much for posting these, Randall, they are extremely helpful
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« Reply #25: March 29, 2008, 12:36:47 pm »

Of course I had to go look...  Wink

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Did I read it right, it's made of redwood? Interesting choice, in Russia, but I'm sure it would last at least as long as the average N CA. deck.
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Goddess grant me:
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« Reply #26: March 29, 2008, 12:42:14 pm »


I believe the earth is sacred, but I also do not worship the earth. Hence, my religion is not 'earth-centred'. But then again, it is more of an earth-based religion that a lot of the Christians I know: which is perhaps why I often get the label attached to me and my religion as 'earth-centred'.

That's interesting, as some folks I know who also identify as hedgewitch and/or neo-pagan would disagree with your assertion that these are not earth-centered paths. But I guess this is an example of how this self-definition is all extremely personal, and this is perhaps more ultimately meaningful in spiritual terms, than external, religious or political definitions.
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Goddess grant me:
  The power of Water,
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  The power of Fire,
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  The power of Air,
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  And the power of Earth,
  for the strength to continue my path.

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« Reply #27: March 29, 2008, 02:55:40 pm »

(Help! My inner geek is trying to escape! I'm tempted to explain WHY plastic is an energy damper in terms of molecular structure....Shocked)

ROFLMAO :sees a thesis in your future: :runs:

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I totally agree. In fact, I strongly believe that many of the deities (and other beings as well) were around LONG before the earth was even in existence.

That's fitting in with Gwyddonics - except for the part where some of them were human incarnate and became gods; they worshipped the gods 'which already were'.

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But I certainly don't worship it as creator. That makes no sense to me.

Yeah, nothing against anybody who does, but it feels messed up to me. Wink
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« Reply #28: March 29, 2008, 02:56:35 pm »

Of course I had to go look...  Wink

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Oh my dear life. Stop that!  Cheesy
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« Reply #29: March 29, 2008, 03:30:29 pm »

That's fitting in with Gwyddonics - except for the part where some of them were human incarnate and became gods; they worshipped the gods 'which already were'.

Notice I said some deities are older than the earth, not all of them. Wink

In my view, there are many more gods and beings out there than we've ever even seen or heard of, from all different times and places. Some are older than time itself, and some are yet to be born.
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