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« Reply #30: March 29, 2008, 04:15:54 pm »

That's interesting, as some folks I know who also identify as hedgewitch and/or neo-pagan would disagree with your assertion that these are not earth-centered paths. But I guess this is an example of how this self-definition is all extremely personal, and this is perhaps more ultimately meaningful in spiritual terms, than external, religious or political definitions.

Yep- it's a very personal thing.

I think the reason I don't call my religion 'earth-centred' is because often that has connotations of worshipping the earth. Which I don't. I worship, primarily, a Goddess and a God. However, my religion is very nature-based. It's just not necessarily centred all around that.
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« Reply #32: March 30, 2008, 01:59:16 am »

I think the reason I don't call my religion 'earth-centred' is because often that has connotations of worshipping the earth. Which I don't. I worship, primarily, a Goddess and a God. However, my religion is very nature-based. It's just not necessarily centred all around that.

This distinction is the key for me.  As Finn (I think) noted earlier, CRs generally place significant importance on *stewardship* of the earth; and many, if not most, Celtic deities are associated with specific locales.  But that is not the same as *worshipping* the earth -- which is what I think of when I hear "earth centered" or "nature based".  Definitions can be very personal.   Cheesy

While I'm not technically a CR, it's the closest "defined" religion to mine, so I'll refer you here for a little more on those views:  http://www.paganachd.com/faq/theology.html#ancestors
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« Reply #33: March 30, 2008, 11:49:53 am »

This distinction is the key for me.  As Finn (I think) noted earlier, CRs generally place significant importance on *stewardship* of the earth; and many, if not most, Celtic deities are associated with specific locales.  But that is not the same as *worshipping* the earth -- which is what I think of when I hear "earth centered" or "nature based".  Definitions can be very personal.   Cheesy

While I'm not technically a CR, it's the closest "defined" religion to mine, so I'll refer you here for a little more on those views:  http://www.paganachd.com/faq/theology.html#ancestors

thanks Moon Ivy, and everyone, for the links, this is all very helpful.
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« Reply #34: March 30, 2008, 03:20:58 pm »


It occurs to me that my nature religion rant might be useful here, so I'll link it:
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« Reply #35: March 30, 2008, 03:57:26 pm »

It occurs to me that my nature religion rant might be useful here, so I'll link it:
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I've always liked that rant.
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« Reply #36: March 31, 2008, 02:34:24 am »

That's interesting, as some folks I know who also identify as hedgewitch and/or neo-pagan would disagree with your assertion that these are not earth-centered paths. But I guess this is an example of how this self-definition is all extremely personal, and this is perhaps more ultimately meaningful in spiritual terms, than external, religious or political definitions.

I've got Hedgewitch tendancies.

That said, I don't worship the Earth. Yes, I am doing my best to lessen my footprint and no longer take it for granted. However, I don't deify it.
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« Reply #37: March 31, 2008, 07:20:59 am »

I've got Hedgewitch tendancies.

That said, I don't worship the Earth. Yes, I am doing my best to lessen my footprint and no longer take it for granted. However, I don't deify it.

Lessen my footprint. I like that. That's what I'm trying to do, too.
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« Reply #38: May 27, 2008, 05:08:46 pm »



You know I was sitting here read the posts thinking "I don't follow an earth-based worshipping system" (because since I first broke away from Wicca, I've opposed the title). Though now when I think about it, I wonder if I do. I follow a god who is intricately entertwined with the earth and its vegetation, I think the earth is vital to our lives, I'm interested in the spirits of the land I live on, and I'm also interested in career paths dealing with the earth and its fauna along with mythical aspects of said career.

Unfortunately, I cannot get the whole earth-based = neo-Wicca bunny foo-foo link out of my head. I figure this may take time. I can definately see similarities, but I don't think my practice is earth-based. Definately need to think on this.
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« Reply #39: May 27, 2008, 06:17:04 pm »

You know I was sitting here read the posts thinking "I don't follow an earth-based worshipping system" (because since I first broke away from Wicca, I've opposed the title). Though now when I think about it, I wonder if I do. I follow a god who is intricately entertwined with the earth and its vegetation, I think the earth is vital to our lives, I'm interested in the spirits of the land I live on, and I'm also interested in career paths dealing with the earth and its fauna along with mythical aspects of said career.

Unfortunately, I cannot get the whole earth-based = neo-Wicca bunny foo-foo link out of my head. I figure this may take time. I can definately see similarities, but I don't think my practice is earth-based. Definately need to think on this.

Yeah, I've noticed that when I say my path is nature-based people automatically assume that I'm Wiccan. Which I'm not, even though I do follow the Wiccan seasonal cycle. Or they think that it means I worship the earth, which also isn't true.

I think that people automatically think this because Wicca is the one that has recentlybrought earth-based religions into the limelight. That and not a lot of people I know understand the concept of having an individual path. If it's not got a building and a following, then it's not a religion apparently. *shrugs*
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« Reply #40: May 27, 2008, 06:40:39 pm »

I guess it never occurred to me that saying "earth based" meant one deified the planet!  I honestly have difficulty figuring out what "earth based" really means to me and if it is descriptive of what I do.

I have a great deal of feeling for the earth as home, as a sort of "gem of creation".....far, far from the "fallen Eden" concept I used to hear from some Christians who seemed to think shitting in our own messkits was dandy, because hey, Jesus was takin' us all to a new five-star world.  Riiiight....

But does this mean I worship the planet?  Is this all 'earth-based' means?  Maybe in pure sci fi, lol, yes....cause I have no other planet.  So in some sense, everything I do (religious or not) is earth-based!  I don't know where I would draw the line,  I think of my path as being very job-oriented and yet I always feel most like I am getting it right when I am intimately involved with nature.

I think one of the things I loved when I first discovered the  neopagan communities, long after my own break from the monotheistic world, was that large portions of that community did want to bridge the gap between mankind and nature.  Christianity had become, over the centuries, a very urban faith---the wilderness was to be distrusted at best, and better yet, utterly undone and made into cities, villages and farms.  Their view of mankind was something elevated above the natural world.  That particular sundering always bothered me only slightly less than what I viewed as the primary cutting off from personal contact with the divine.

So, if you isolate a human from "God" by teaching him only intermediary priests can connect for him, and you jerk him out of nature, too...he is pretty much twisting in the wind, if you ask me.  Skeptically minded me, in doubt of my own reach and perception, I always wonder if I am fooling myself about the divine (but can't convince myself---and they laugh at me for it), but I never have to doubt nature.

It is always there for me to lie down on sun-drenched stones, or walk where fir boughs sweep my hair and it fills me up with wonder and peace like nothing else can.  So, if we are what we eat, nature---Earth feeds me, so maybe I am nature based.
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« Reply #41: May 27, 2008, 10:54:41 pm »


But does this mean I worship the planet?  Is this all 'earth-based' means?  Maybe in pure sci fi, lol, yes....cause I have no other planet.  So in some sense, everything I do (religious or not) is earth-based!  I don't know where I would draw the line,  I think of my path as being very job-oriented and yet I always feel most like I am getting it right when I am intimately involved with nature.

Me too. True forgiveness lies in the earth. Also immediate and obvious consequences of our actions, either for or against her. To me, it's the immediate, concrete spiritual experience I get when I am with the earth, either just mucking around in the garden, or doing a big elaborate ritual is what makes me think of my practice as earth based, or earth centered.


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It is always there for me to lie down on sun-drenched stones, or walk where fir boughs sweep my hair and it fills me up with wonder and peace like nothing else can.  So, if we are what we eat, nature---Earth feeds me, so maybe I am nature based.

very beautifully said.
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