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« Reply #30: May 07, 2008, 11:49:49 am »

Poking. Constant poking.

I don't work with TM, but I get the poking alot. Especially in my ribs, and back when they want my attention.
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« Reply #31: May 07, 2008, 04:33:08 pm »

I don't work with TM, but I get the poking alot. Especially in my ribs, and back when they want my attention.

Have I mentioned how Arianrhod likes to whack me in the back of the head? Sometimes, I swear she hurls chunks of her castle at me.  Undecided
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« Reply #32: May 07, 2008, 04:41:36 pm »

Have I mentioned how Arianrhod likes to whack me in the back of the head? Sometimes, I swear she hurls chunks of her castle at me.  Undecided

I get "tingles" in a ribbon I wear for TM.

I also feel her seeing things through me sometimes, and my vision changes, as my eyes are able to focus differently somehow?

I just feel a "pushiness" from Brighid however  Cheesy.

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« Reply #33: November 11, 2008, 12:20:42 pm »


After I began to think Druidry/Celtic Recon. would be the best path for me, Morrigan has started to speak to me more and more every day... Crows are common around here but being partially deaf, these crows were speaking LOUD, and when I say it's loud... it's loud. LOL!

This morning was the best, by far. The crows were in a tree and speaking and when I spotted them, both of them moved to the tree in front of the place that I was going to get to work. It's like they were making sure my path was safe for me to travel.

Just my experience with the Morrigan, so far...
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« Reply #34: January 01, 2010, 04:12:20 pm »

So should I be worried about all the crows I keep seeing?

As a devotee of the Morrigue, I usually take seeing large amounts of crows as her poking me about something important. The last time it happened was when I met the man who plans to become my husband. We were walking around the park and a large flock of crows, I'm guessing at least twenty birds total, was following us around. As we are both of Celtic background, we both took it to mean something big was going to happen.
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« Reply #35: January 02, 2010, 09:34:48 am »

I want to explore Tm in Her other aspects.  I know about Her Warrior, Battle Goddess side, but I would like to explore Her soverignty, sexuality (labeled as "fertility" lol), and any other aspects.  I'm in search of websites because I am strapped right now, but book suggestions are always welcome.
 
Her "war goddess" role was a later one assigned to her in the legends, but a designation that has always been there for any tutelary deity, since Irish paganism was tribal, and conquests for land were common. The Lebor Gabála Érenn was a completely Christian creation, as is the Tuatha Dé Dannan, so some the roles of deities in the legends need to be taken with a grain of salt(just a tad, and only with certain ones, because our oral tradition is important)
An Mhór-Ríoghain has alternative names with many other High tutelary Goddesses, and her Land Goddess aspects are still alive with the associations of her with the land in lore, like the two hills by Newgrange bearing her name (dá chích na Morrígna) and the term for her hearth, fulacht na Mór Ríoghna. The Lore of Ireland: An Encyclopaedia of Myth, Legend and Romanceby Dáithí Ó hÓgáin is a good book to become more familiar with those associations. Maybe a little pricey, but well worth it. In fact I've referenced it so many times, I might just go ahead and type out the whole passage on her one day if I'm bored.  Grin
 
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« Reply #36: January 02, 2010, 05:49:01 pm »

I want to explore Tm in Her other aspects.  I know about Her Warrior, Battle Goddess side, but I would like to explore Her soverignty, sexuality (labeled as "fertility" lol), and any other aspects.  I'm in search of websites because I am strapped right now, but book suggestions are always welcome.

This link talks a whole lot about her aspect as a goddess of Sovereignty, and a little about a possible "fertility" (haha) aspect. Little in that article is set in stone or anything, but the author explores some interesting possibilities. (She even suggests that Morrigan might be identifiable with Danu herself - that sounds pretty iffy to me, but as I said, she's exploring stuff.)
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« Reply #37: January 02, 2010, 05:52:26 pm »

This link talks a whole lot about her aspect as a goddess of Sovereignty, and a little about a possible "fertility" (haha) aspect. Little in that article is set in stone or anything, but the author explores some interesting possibilities. (She even suggests that Morrigan might be identifiable with Danu herself - that sounds pretty iffy to me, but as I said, she's exploring stuff.)

May I ask why you put fertility in quotes?

I've heard the Morrigan/Danu equation before; I don't hold to it personally, but it's not new.
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« Reply #38: January 02, 2010, 06:12:20 pm »

I've heard the Morrigan/Danu equation before; I don't hold to it personally, but it's not new.

Danu and the Morrigan both seem to be associated with a wide range of other goddesses.  F'ex, in addition to seeing them equated with each other, I've also read that each is actually Brighid, and that each is actually Brighid's mother.  Cheesy

Just goes to remind us about the limitations of the existing Celtic lore and the likelihood of poetic license taken by those early Irish monks who tried to record the stories before they were lost to time.
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« Reply #39: January 02, 2010, 06:23:35 pm »

May I ask why you put fertility in quotes?

I've heard the Morrigan/Danu equation before; I don't hold to it personally, but it's not new.

I put fertility in quotes partly because the OP did, and partly because I'm skeptical of the idea that the Morrigan has a fertility aspect. Don't get me wrong, the author I linked to had a compelling argument. It's just a bias of mine. I admit the Danu equation was one I hadn't heard elsewhere - ignorance on my part.
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« Reply #40: January 02, 2010, 06:28:15 pm »

Her "war goddess" role was a later one assigned to her in the legends ... The Lebor Gabála Érenn was a completely Christian creation, as is the Tuatha Dé Dannan ...

Would you be willing to explain these particular statements further?
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« Reply #41: January 02, 2010, 06:33:31 pm »

I put fertility in quotes partly because the OP did, and partly because I'm skeptical of the idea that the Morrigan has a fertility aspect. Don't get me wrong, the author I linked to had a compelling argument. It's just a bias of mine. I admit the Danu equation was one I hadn't heard elsewhere - ignorance on my part.

I haven't read the linked article, so forgive me if I'm redundant, but if you accept that tM is involved in sovereignty, then it would follow that she is involved with fertility as well, if only the fertility of the land. The two are inextricably entwined in Celtic lore. (That is to say- to be involved with fertility is not necessarily to be involved with sovereignty, but to be involved with sovereignty is inherently to be involved with fertility.)

And as Moon Ivy said, Danu, tM, and Brighid tend to get equated with everyone. I personally put it largely (but not entirely) to Christian influence.
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« Reply #42: January 02, 2010, 08:05:42 pm »

I haven't read the linked article, so forgive me if I'm redundant, but if you accept that tM is involved in sovereignty, then it would follow that she is involved with fertility as well, if only the fertility of the land. The two are inextricably entwined in Celtic lore. (That is to say- to be involved with fertility is not necessarily to be involved with sovereignty, but to be involved with sovereignty is inherently to be involved with fertility.)

That's a very good point. Thank you.
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« Reply #43: January 03, 2010, 05:15:10 am »

Would you be willing to explain these particular statements further?
Of course. First of all the "Celtic pantheon" doesn't exist like everyone seems to think it does. The "Tuatha Dé Dannan" is a Christian literacy creation coined by the monks who wrote the Book of Invasions, that's chalk full of Christian historiography&symbolism, and isn't a pre-Christian oral tale. Ireland's native paganism was tribal, and older designations of deities were simply known as Tuatha Dé, but Tuatha Dé Dannan is a Christian creation that contains regional deities from tuatha that were frequently at war with each other, all functioning in unison with certain roles like a pantheon similar to the Greeks, which Ireland didn't have, as mentioned it's paganism was tribal with no codified "state religion" or pantheon.
An Mhór-Ríoghain is a lot more than the simple "war goddess" she is known for. The label itself is a later classical imposition to the legends&lore, which possibly could of stemmed from her association of foretelling the death of kings. She was a tutelary sovereign Goddess,(hence my pointing out the association with her and the land above) and Goddesses of that role provided fertility to the land, and aided their tuatha in battle.
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« Reply #44: January 03, 2010, 12:57:48 pm »

Of course. First of all the "Celtic pantheon" doesn't exist like everyone seems to think it does.

I can't speak for "everyone" in general, but I think the majority of TC members who have any interest in the Celts recognize that their pantheons are not equatable with, say, the Greek pantheon.

The "Tuatha Dé Dannan" is a Christian literacy creation coined by the monks who wrote the Book of Invasions, that's chalk full of Christian historiography&symbolism, and isn't a pre-Christian oral tale.

Do you have any proof that nothing of the Book of Invasions predates Christianity? It's well known by Celtic scholars that the Book of Invasions was compiled after Christian conversion and by Christian monks; that Christian symbolism and history altered to reflect the Bible's teachings would appear is unsurprising and well acknowledged. That doesn't, however, mean that the essence of the myths could not have been passed down orally; the Celts were well known as a people with a prodigious memory.

An Mhór-Ríoghain is a lot more than the simple "war goddess" she is known for. The label itself is a later classical imposition to the legends&lore, which possibly could of stemmed from her association of foretelling the death of kings. She was a tutelary sovereign Goddess,(hence my pointing out the association with her and the land above) and Goddesses of that role provided fertility to the land, and aided their tuatha in battle.

I concur that tM is much more than a simple war goddess, but her involvement in battle does imply an association; I don't think that the label is inherently inappropriate for her simply because it was later watered down to the only label.
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