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« Reply #15: March 31, 2008, 02:06:24 pm »

Well, as a start, what are the worst misconceptions that you think we have about your beliefs, and what would you like to say to correct them?

It is actually amazing how many Christians think I am a murderer or out to rape and pillage because of my religion.  This is dumbfounding at times as I do none of these these things.  As well they seem to think of me as racist, which I most certainly am not and very few of my religion are. 
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« Reply #16: March 31, 2008, 02:27:24 pm »

It is actually amazing how many Christians think I am a murderer or out to rape and pillage because of my religion.  This is dumbfounding at times as I do none of these these things.  As well they seem to think of me as racist, which I most certainly am not and very few of my religion are. 

True that, I only pillage on the weekends  Grin. The Odinist, Asatru crowd have the negative reputation for beign racist. Mainly because alot of the skinheads and neo nazis pretend to be heathen, when in fact they are almost always not. Indeed Heathens are more likely not to be racist then most other paths due to the importance of honor, we judge a person by thier actions. There something good for christians to know about Heathens (that again being Odinists, Asaturers, and other followers of the Nordic path of our ancestors)

But seriously, what should a chrisitan know? Well the problem with the question is its way to general. Its not like asking a Muslime what a Christian should know about Islam, because Paganism consists of many hundreds of religions of witch many of different paths about them. This question would be like asking what a pagan should know about a monothiest (consisting of Christianity, Islam, Judiasim etc..)

I think what may help most Christians is if know this. Most Pagans have no interest at all in begin converted, or converting you. Many pagans are very mature in thier faith and have studyed long and hard to find thier path and are quiet happy with it. Once Christians have learnt that, then there is alot of room for mature discussion and growth
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« Reply #17: March 31, 2008, 03:19:45 pm »

5) Most Pagans don't care what the Bible says they should believe/do any more than most Christians care what the Qur'an, the Bhagavad Gita or the Tao-te-ching says they should believe/do. Quoting the Bible as proof only works if one already accepted the Bible as authoritative. Pagans, like other non-Christians, do not accept the Bible as authoritative.

Randall got most of what I wanted to say, but I'll just reiterate this. I will particularly not be impressed if someone reads me a Bible quote about the accuracy of the Bible.

Also, most Pagans I've encountered do not hold with the idea that humanity is somehow "fallen" and must be "saved" (in fact, this is why I fell away from Christianity: I don't get it at all).
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« Reply #18: March 31, 2008, 03:31:46 pm »




Meant to add: Hollywood is not a good source of information on Pagan religions.
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« Reply #19: March 31, 2008, 04:13:30 pm »

Meant to add: Hollywood is not a good source of information on Pagan religions.

Hollywood is not a good source of info on ANY religion. Smiley
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« Reply #20: March 31, 2008, 04:32:11 pm »

Hollywood is not a good source of info on ANY religion. Smiley
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« Reply #21: March 31, 2008, 05:24:40 pm »

What are some of the things that you would like to tell me about what you believe? What are some of the things that you wish Christians understood about your practices, your world view, your faith, and your deities?

My initial reaction to this question was a very grumpy "I don't really care if anybody -- Christian or otherwise -- understands anything about my path."  It's been a difficult day. 

Then I thought again and now my reaction is a non-grumpy and quite curious "Well, I *don't* really care if anybody understands anything about my path.  But I am also willing to share my perspectives with someone who is truly interested."

So, I guess my question back to you, similar to Darkhawk's (I think), is:  What do you want to know?  And why do you want to know it? 

Is it your intention to take whatever I say and try to twist it to prove your own point?  (I've been burned before, you see.) 

Many people have already pointed out most of the main misconceptions about paganism in general (satan worship, baby eating, etc.  Wink ), so I don't have much to add to that.  But I am curious about whether you are really interested in my particular relationship with deity and my specific practices -- because, as Darkhawk (again, I think) also pointed out, my is a path of praxy as much as, if not more than, a path of belief.
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« Reply #22: March 31, 2008, 05:41:11 pm »

Randall got most of what I wanted to say, but I'll just reiterate this. I will particularly not be impressed if someone reads me a Bible quote about the accuracy of the Bible.

My favorite answer to this is to pull out the Greek/English New Testament, and attempt to engage in specific discussion about the word choices used at various key points.

Regrettably, very few people ever are able to play along. (Thus, I do not recommend the several years investment of time needed to get to the point you can do this.)
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« Reply #23: March 31, 2008, 06:32:24 pm »

Regrettably, very few people ever are able to play along. (Thus, I do not recommend the several years investment of time needed to get to the point you can do this.)

You can do a lot of this with just a good study Bible. Koi lists a couple of good academic-based ones in her Serious Christian/Catholic Resources article. Unfortunately, the most common "study Bibles" I see in bookstores those with "Scofield Notes" -- Scofield is extremely fundamentalist which makes the notes in a Scofield Study Bible only useful for understanding how pre-millennial dispensationalist fundamentalists read the Bible. Sad
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« Reply #24: March 31, 2008, 08:27:52 pm »

Those of you who have looked in on my introductory thread should by now have some idea of what I believe. What are some of the things that you would like to tell me about what you believe? What are some of the things that you wish Christians understood about your practices, your world view, your faith, and your deities?

I'm not looking to start any debates in this thread. I plan to do more listening than talking. Is there anything that you would like to say?


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What are some of the things that you would like to tell me about what you believe? What are some of the things that you wish Christians understood about your practices, your world view, your faith, and your deities?

I usually wish that the Christians I come into contact with understood how similar we actually are on a moral plane.  I've hardly met Wiccans, pagans, or otherwise who morally condone things like murder or harming children.  Broadly speaking, we all want to be successful, whatever that means for us, and we all want to commune with our God/ess(es).  There are differences, to be sure, but we have much more in common than most Christians seem to think we do (or than some pagans think we do!).

Can I ask you a question, pagan to Christian (I hope that's within the spirit of the board rules)?  I come from a Christian background like others, but the hardest thing about the Bible for me was the literal interpretation.  I never believed the interpretation that Old Testament law was somehow rewritten with the sparse amount of Jesus' teachings that are included in the commonly accepted version of the New Testament.  And Old Testament law, which I was urged to follow in the conservative denomination I belonged to, never made much sense to me.  I suppose my question is: how is it that Christians call the Bible law, but ignore pieces of it here and there?

Quoting the Bible as proof only works if one already accepted the Bible as authoritative.

Thanks -- I've been looking for this succinct of an explanation for a while now.  I somehow end up in the oddest moral debates!
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« Reply #26: April 01, 2008, 05:26:33 am »

Can I ask you a question, pagan to Christian (I hope that's within the spirit of the board rules)?  I come from a Christian background like others, but the hardest thing about the Bible for me was the literal interpretation.  I never believed the interpretation that Old Testament law was somehow rewritten with the sparse amount of Jesus' teachings that are included in the commonly accepted version of the New Testament.  And Old Testament law, which I was urged to follow in the conservative denomination I belonged to, never made much sense to me.  I suppose my question is: how is it that Christians call the Bible law, but ignore pieces of it here and there?

Actually, I think it might be best to post this in a new thread rather than here in the middle of this thread.  That way it doesn't get buried in the existing discussion, and the existing discussion can continue without getting taken over by it too.  Smiley  (After all, that is a pretty big topic.)
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« Reply #27: April 01, 2008, 06:25:13 am »

Can I ask you a question, pagan to Christian (I hope that's within the spirit of the board rules)?  I come from a Christian background like others, but the hardest thing about the Bible for me was the literal interpretation.  I never believed the interpretation that Old Testament law was somehow rewritten with the sparse amount of Jesus' teachings that are included in the commonly accepted version of the New Testament.  And Old Testament law, which I was urged to follow in the conservative denomination I belonged to, never made much sense to me.  I suppose my question is: how is it that Christians call the Bible law, but ignore pieces of it here and there?

Thanks -- I've been looking for this succinct of an explanation for a while now.  I somehow end up in the oddest moral debates!

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« Reply #28: April 01, 2008, 09:31:00 am »

I'll bring about a general point that I find many people seem to miss. Not saying any of you have but from reading I don't think it was mentioned.

The primary reason that Christians consider the Pagan community to run with satanic thought, is because due to their understandings; anyone that does not follow the 'path of God.' Is in fact choosing to follow Satan. Certainly from a general ' Christian ' outlook anyway; obviously there are many exceptions to this point, as Christianity is as diverse as the term; 'Pagan.'

To come to the realisation, that they feel this way because, in their beliefs, no matter what you tell them, no matter what you actually 'believe.' That it is Satan's thoughts that provide this alteration and basically, irrelevant of what you choose to believe or understand. You are siding with Satan because and solely because you are not siding with their 'God.'

It's very two sided with Christianity as a whole, you either follow God or you don't. If you don't you are siding with Satan, simple as that. In a very clear cut and slightly generalised manner anyway.

With that thought in hand, it's only understandable that they 'try to convert' people as all they feel they are doing, is helping you. Just as you might help an old woman cross a busy street. It is or certainly was not originally built on the idea of superiority but on the concept of aid for their fellow human. It is not necessarily that they say you are directly siding with Satan and 'worshiping' him. Simply that by not following God then you are at the very least, indirectly siding with him. As such, they try to 'save' etc and in essence often condemn you for rejection of such because again, this core belief dictates that you are allowing Satan to control your mind rather than breaking free to God.

I generally find myself thanking Christians for their attempts at 'converting,' me and then engage them in discussion. Sometimes they can be most enlightening. After all, their core beliefs are morals are actually, very nice as a person to person. In the sense of morally just action etc.

What are some of the things that you would like to tell me about what you believe? What are some of the things that you wish Christians understood about your practices, your world view, your faith, and your deities?


Simply that I understand their religion at least as well as they do and am happy with my own choices. I live and understand that whatever consequences of my actions are rightfully just upon me and whatever those consequences may be. I accept them in open arms.
For in reality only the fear of what is to be unexpected creates the concern of their beliefs and when one no longer fears that which is unknown and unexpected but embraces it will they understand my own beliefs of the natural 'chaos.'
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« Reply #29: April 01, 2008, 09:55:01 am »

What are some of the things that you wish Christians understood about your practices, your world view, your faith, and your deities?

I'm sure there are a ton of things, but the first that comes to mind is that I DIDN'T KILL JESUS!  Note that the Romans were in charge at the time of Jesus' death and the influence of the Jews as pretty darn small.  And even if the ancient Hebrews had killed Jesus, I'm no more to blame for that than for my White ancestors sending my Cherokee ancestors to live on reservations.

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