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« Topic Start: April 11, 2008, 12:44:56 pm »

I found this term on this website, and I looked into it. It sounds really interesting to learn about, but there isn't a lot of basic information on the Cauldron yet, and most people just refer you to the book Ancient Stones... about it. I, however, can't find this and I don't have the money or opportunity to order it online at the moment. Does anyone know a good website that just has general facts about it? Wikipedia isn't helping much on clearing it up at the moment either.
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« Reply #1: April 11, 2008, 01:22:14 pm »

I found this term on this website, and I looked into it. It sounds really interesting to learn about, but there isn't a lot of basic information on the Cauldron yet, and most people just refer you to the book Ancient Stones... about it. I, however, can't find this and I don't have the money or opportunity to order it online at the moment. Does anyone know a good website that just has general facts about it? Wikipedia isn't helping much on clearing it up at the moment either.

I think Ancient Stones is out of print and iirc, it was difficult to find even when it was in print.  I think the author is now a born-again Christian and took down his website as well as letting the book go out of print.

You said that TC didn't have enough basic information?  Is this the page you looked at?

For more information, you can use the links on the above page.  I'll also throw in this site:

http://winterscapes.com/sannion

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There is also our Hellenic Polytheism SIG

http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?board=60.0
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« Reply #2: April 11, 2008, 02:54:54 pm »

I think Ancient Stones is out of print and iirc, it was difficult to find even when it was in print.  I think the author is now a born-again Christian and took down his website as well as letting the book go out of print.

You said that TC didn't have enough basic information?  Is this the page you looked at?

For more information, you can use the links on the above page.  I'll also throw in this site:

http://winterscapes.com/sannion

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There is also our Hellenic Polytheism SIG

http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?board=60.0

Thank you! I hadn't found that page from TC - I think I stumbled somewhere else...or something...anyway, the websites really helped clear some stuff up for me. Thanks for the update - sucks that the book is out, though; it looked pretty good.
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« Reply #3: April 11, 2008, 04:50:28 pm »

I found this term on this website, and I looked into it. It sounds really interesting to learn about, but there isn't a lot of basic information on the Cauldron yet, and most people just refer you to the book Ancient Stones... about it.

There is quiote a bit of what I consider "basic" info in the "Resources from Nomos Arkhaios" section near the bottom of the Greek/Hellenic Resconstructionist Paganism page. You can also find copies of all the primary sources listed there online.
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« Reply #4: April 11, 2008, 06:25:28 pm »

I think Ancient Stones is out of print and iirc, it was difficult to find even when it was in print.  I think the author is now a born-again Christian and took down his website as well as letting the book go out of print.

If we're talking about Old Stones, New Temples here, my understanding is that Hellenion currently owns the copyright and has been planning a new edition, but that the whole project has kind of gotten bogged down.  There are others here (Lyric?) who would probably know more.

And yeah, it's damned near impossible to find at this point.  It's worth looking for, but be warned that you probably won't find it.  Sad
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« Reply #5: April 11, 2008, 06:31:09 pm »

If we're talking about Old Stones, New Temples here, my understanding is that Hellenion currently owns the copyright and has been planning a new edition, but that the whole project has kind of gotten bogged down.  There are others here (Lyric?) who would probably know more.

And yeah, it's damned near impossible to find at this point.  It's worth looking for, but be warned that you probably won't find it.  Sad

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Just goes to show how my brain is functioning these days Embarrassed

I probably wouldn't have figured it out if someone didn't point it out.  And Hellenion owns the copyright?  Didn't know that.
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« Reply #6: April 11, 2008, 06:54:21 pm »

I probably wouldn't have figured it out if someone didn't point it out.  And Hellenion owns the copyright?  Didn't know that.

What I'd heard was that the author turned it over to them when he left.  That's secondhand info, as I've never been a part of Hellenion myself, but I seem to recall it coming from a source I trusted.  (Again, I want to say Lyric, here, but I'm not sure.)
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« Reply #7: April 11, 2008, 07:39:35 pm »

If we're talking about Old Stones, New Temples here, my understanding is that Hellenion currently owns the copyright and has been planning a new edition, but that the whole project has kind of gotten bogged down.

I don't see why they don't just give the current PDF version to new members -- and revise it at their leisure. But then, I've never understood how Hellenion does things.
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« Reply #8: April 14, 2008, 04:44:48 pm »

What I'd heard was that the author turned it over to them when he left.  That's secondhand info, as I've never been a part of Hellenion myself, but I seem to recall it coming from a source I trusted.  (Again, I want to say Lyric, here, but I'm not sure.)

Yeah. It was me. Drew and I worked that out when he left Hellenion and I was still a member. They do own the copyright.

The problem is, yes, Hellenion owns the copyright, but there are issues with whether to rewrite the book or start new. There is a copy of OSNT available for Hellenion members, but the problem is it's locked down which makes making changes to it difficult. I just had an email exchange with the president of Hellenion and now that they know there's no way to unlock the .pdf file, I'm not sure what their next step will be.
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« Reply #9: April 14, 2008, 04:45:36 pm »

I don't see why they don't just give the current PDF version to new members -- and revise it at their leisure. But then, I've never understood how Hellenion does things.

They do. I pushed it up into the files section a few years ago. The question of revision or writing a new book is something they're apparently dealing with now.
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« Reply #10: April 14, 2008, 04:49:33 pm »

I think Ancient Stones is out of print and iirc, it was difficult to find even when it was in print.  I think the author is now a born-again Christian and took down his website as well as letting the book go out of print.

It's Old Stones New Temples. Smiley Or OSNT if you want to be fast. It is OOP, but there was never a standard print run on it. It was published by Xlibris who did the print on demand thing. AFA Drew's website goes, I think we managed to snag most of it before it went offline...he and I were working on that up to the end of his association with Hellenismos.

Also, he's Episcopalian. Not born-again (unless you mean he came to that religion late in life *g*)
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« Reply #11: April 14, 2008, 04:52:24 pm »

They do. I pushed it up into the files section a few years ago.

Good. I would hate to see all of Drew's work going to waste.
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« Reply #12: April 14, 2008, 04:54:20 pm »

AFA Drew's website goes, I think we managed to snag most of it before it went offline...he and I were working on that up to the end of his association with Hellenismos.

We got all he had -- I sucked down his web site with a "site snagger" program when he gave us permission to host the material here.
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« Reply #13: April 14, 2008, 04:54:59 pm »

Good. I would hate to see all of Drew's work going to waste.

Nope. It's up there. Like I told Zoe last week during our email exchange, in a way, I would like to see Drew's book left alone. It was, after all, the first book on Hellenismos that we have.
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