outside dog or house dog?

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[mandrina]

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It's really upsetting because it seems it doesn't matter how the dogs are treated.  So long as they have food and water, animal control can do nothing about it.  (In my area.) 

http://www.unchainyourdog.org/Laws.htm

just a link

[LyricFox]

http://www.unchainyourdog.org/Laws.htm

just a link

And a quick note. Their list of laws in various cities is out of date. I just emailed another group that they link to because there is no Contact Us link that I could find on their site.

http://www.peta.org/feat/coldog/chainord.html might be a bit more up to date, though I wouldn't swear to it except that they have Waco in the right category.

[Juniper]

Thanks. I'll see what I can do (even if it looks as though I'll be putting my hand in my pocket and buying them kennels myself).

As an update: my mother-in-law's dogs aren't the major concern after today! (I ended up buying them dog houses so at least they have shelter. Oh and I put that natural remedies stuff on them to combat ticks)

Anyway, I got a call from my MIL this morning saying that two stray dogs had come onto the land and one of her dogs was savagely fighting with them. So I raced out and we managed to separate the two that were fighting...I scooped up her dog and locked him away. The other stray dog and Joe, my MIL's new dog, had both run away somewhere. The dog that was left was a Pug: really friendly.

We called all the neighbours- he didn't belong to anyone. We called the police- they said they weren't going to do anything to help so we might as well just shoot him (bastards). We finally called a pet sanctuary that we had heard of in the next town over and asked if they could take him...they said no. But then said that it was strange that she had gotten 2 calls about a Pug in one day. But she said the other person who wanted them to take a Pug wanted them to take a little black dog aswell....bingo, that one had just run off with Joe.

So we said those are the same dogs! And she told us that their owner had been arrested and taken to prison that morning. Her sister had gone to get her dogs and taken them to the sanctuary, who said they were full. She had been driving a red truck. My MIL had seen a red truck drive off just before she saw the dogs. Therefore, the sister had dumped the dogs.

We called people for most of the day trying to see if anybody would take him- a Pug is definitely an inside dog, and shockingly my MIL agreed with me and said we needed to find him a home. 5 hours after the Pug had arrived, we got a call from a woman who already has 2 pugs and said she would love to have him. Relief! She is coming to collect him tomorrow...and for now he is in my father-in-law's workshop, with food etc, so thank goodness he is not outside. It has been hot today and he was having breathing trouble; pugs don't have good breathing tubes.

As for the other dog and Joe: no sign of them. We have all the neighbours on the lookout.

*big sigh* I think I just needed to vent that, so that I can finally say: what on earth is going on with people and their dogs around here?!!

[Sperran]

We called all the neighbours- he didn't belong to anyone. We called the police- they said they weren't going to do anything to help so we might as well just shoot him (bastards).

I guess I'm not sure why you called the police.  Unless they had received a report of a stolen animal, they wouldn't have any way to contact the owners, and they don't have the training or the facilities to come collect the dog.  Maybe I missed part of the story? 

Also, while the pug seems to be a nice dog and such behavior is not warranted in this case, I would be willing to consider shooting a strange dog that came to my property and attacked one of my dogs.  I would be especially likely to do so if the dog had returned repeatedly (which neglected dogs often do).  It isn't pretty, but some people refuse to take responsibility for their dogs' behavior and having seen the effects of vicious wandering neighbor dogs on other dogs, poultry, cattle and the like I can't say I'm too sad when they have "disappeared". 

Sperran

[rose]

*big sigh* I think I just needed to vent that, so that I can finally say: what on earth is going on with people and their dogs around here?!!

what a sad story!
I'm glad at least one of the dogs is ok.

[Cathira]

<snip>I would be willing to consider shooting a strange dog that came to my property and attacked one of my dogs.</snip>

I've seen my father do just that with two stray dogs from somewhere else in the district, only they weren't attacking our dogs (two against about 5-6, there wouldn't have been much left of the two), they were attacking livestock. Unfortunately, once a dog starts doing that, there's not much hope for them in a farming district in most cases. Labradors are notorious for going after sheep.

I'm glad there was a reasonable outcome in that case, although I hope the two missing dogs come back soon.

[AIONIA]

I just wondered, for fun, what your view is of an inside/outside dog?

At my house dogs have always been an outside animal, unless the dog was frail, or extremely weel-behaved. My current dog is an Aussie Shepard x Blue Heeler, who is a big, round boy in good health at 7 years old.

He's lived outside his whole life, only been in the house twice; one time when we had a tornado warning, and once to see if he'd want to be in. In short he doesn't, he hates the linoleum, doesn't like the strange stuff and just wanted to go out.

He's not abused, he's gets wormer and Advantage. He's loved and played with, and he has his own crate with a throw blanket in it.

In his younger years he had to be tied to keep him from running loose in the neighbor hood, because he probably would have ended up shot (Very dog aggressive, and will beat up on any dog, even pit bulls). We used a harness, and a light chain attached to a 60ft zip line running from our back porch to our shed. He could play with the other dogs, and always had food and water.

Would I ever have another dog? Probably, they make me feel safe, and since I plan to live on my own I want that security. Will it be an indoor dog? Probably not, in all truthfulness, I'm not really a dog person. (Which of course means I must toruture them, bad me...) However, I do take great care of my all my animals and the dog would be treated the same.

I've thought of fostering a pit bull once my dog is gone, I only ever want one dog at a time, and am willing to straighten one out and see it go on to someone's home where it can be someone's cuddly pet, or keep it if I know it could never be in that enviroment.

[Juniper]

I guess I'm not sure why you called the police.  Unless they had received a report of a stolen animal, they wouldn't have any way to contact the owners, and they don't have the training or the facilities to come collect the dog.  Maybe I missed part of the story? 

Also, while the pug seems to be a nice dog and such behavior is not warranted in this case, I would be willing to consider shooting a strange dog that came to my property and attacked one of my dogs.  I would be especially likely to do so if the dog had returned repeatedly (which neglected dogs often do).  It isn't pretty, but some people refuse to take responsibility for their dogs' behavior and having seen the effects of vicious wandering neighbor dogs on other dogs, poultry, cattle and the like I can't say I'm too sad when they have "disappeared". 

It wasn't the Pug that was viscious- not at all. It was my MIL's dog. Once the Pug realised that this land was another dog's territory it actually backed away, but my MIL's dog insisted on attacking him. The Pug hardly fought back, hence why I thought the one dog was going to kill him and I locked him away. In fact, it was my MIL's dog that snapped at both me and her!

As for why we called the police, the police department at the neightbouring town (which is bigger) has a unit that comes out and collects stray dogs and has a room of kennels to put them in. But unfortunately the police department at the town we are in said they didn't have any facilities like that, so we should just shoot him. Which I thought was awful, especially since it was that same police department that had arrested their owner that morning and had left the dogs.

[Juniper]

what a sad story!
I'm glad at least one of the dogs is ok.

Me too. One is better than none. The Pug is due to be collected in an hour by his new owner. There is still no sign of the other dog- or Joe for that matter. My MIL has only had Joe 10 days!

[Sperran]

It wasn't the Pug that was viscious- not at all. It was my MIL's dog. Once the Pug realised that this land was another dog's territory it actually backed away, but my MIL's dog insisted on attacking him. The Pug hardly fought back, hence why I thought the one dog was going to kill him and I locked him away. In fact, it was my MIL's dog that snapped at both me and her!

As for why we called the police, the police department at the neightbouring town (which is bigger) has a unit that comes out and collects stray dogs and has a room of kennels to put them in. But unfortunately the police department at the town we are in said they didn't have any facilities like that, so we should just shoot him. Which I thought was awful, especially since it was that same police department that had arrested their owner that morning and had left the dogs.

I didn't mean to imply that the pug was a problem, just explaining that I understand why trespassing dogs get shot.  I don't think I've ever lived in a place where the police would come pick up dogs like that...hence my confusion.  Some places have animal control departments, but those were completely separate from the police department.

Sperran

[LyricFox]

In fact, it was my MIL's dog that snapped at both me and her!

Always, always, ALWAYS remember that if you go in to try to break up a dog fight, your very likely to get bitten.

[Cathira]

Always, always, ALWAYS remember that if you go in to try to break up a dog fight, your very likely to get bitten.

I think this goes for just about any kind of animal fight - don't get in the middle. Especially with animals like dogs and cats who generally have much faster reaction times than us.

Even using a pole to separate them while being in the vicinity can be dangerous, particularly if one 'snaps' and goes after whatever seems to be attacking it, human or animal.

[Juniper]

I didn't mean to imply that the pug was a problem, just explaining that I understand why trespassing dogs get shot.  I don't think I've ever lived in a place where the police would come pick up dogs like that...hence my confusion.  Some places have animal control departments, but those were completely separate from the police department.

Ah, ok. Then I misunderstood.

Being new to living here in the US, I'm not knowledgeable on the duties of the police department; I was just reciting what I have been told by those who live here. And apparently in the next town over the police department has an animal control unit. I guess this is more of an exeption, rather than the norm.

[Sperran]

Being new to living here in the US, I'm not knowledgeable on the duties of the police department; I was just reciting what I have been told by those who live here. And apparently in the next town over the police department has an animal control unit. I guess this is more of an exeption, rather than the norm.

It could be the norm in other places, just not where I've lived.  I've only lived in a couple of states, though.

Sperran

[mandy1216]

I want a dog inside the house (Option 3 for me) but my husband isn't keen on the idea of a dog indoors. It's been discussed a lot recently...but I'll get my way 

I just wondered, for fun, what your view is of an inside/outside dog?

I have two inside dogs (I live in an apartment building in Chicago).  MacGyver and Beatrix rock my world. If they are inside dogs, you should commit to dog training classes to make your lives manageable. If I hadn't done this, they would run my life and ruin my house. Mac is newly adopted the last few months, and has a history of abuse, so training essential in correcting his sometimes terrible behaviors.

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