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« Reply #15: May 03, 2008, 08:12:10 am »

Muslims consider each copy of the Qu'ran holy because it contains the word of God. The don't worship the Qu'ran, however.
I was just giving an example of how religious objects and actions can look to an outsider if you don't bother to ask about the meaning. This works with many religions, if Pagans just worship icons, then Muslims just worship books.
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« Reply #16: May 03, 2008, 08:29:29 am »

I was just giving an example of how religious objects and actions can look to an outsider if you don't bother to ask about the meaning.

Opps. Sorry.
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« Reply #17: May 03, 2008, 08:34:46 am »

Opps. Sorry.
You really got the impression I thought Muslims were literally worshipping books? Bah! Shocked Didn't you make this joke in the first place?  Cheesy

Funny what people think I'm capable of. *hides ashamed in the corner*
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« Reply #18: May 03, 2008, 01:05:18 pm »

You really got the impression I thought Muslims were literally worshipping books?

It's a very common misconception in the US, unfortunately.
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« Reply #19: May 03, 2008, 01:58:16 pm »

It's a very common misconception in the US, unfortunately.

That reminds me of a running argument I had with this stupid (and I do mean that) fundie when I was over on Delphi. She kept insisting that statues had "god holes" in them for the gods to escape when they didn't want to be worshiped. I finally gave up and posting a fricking article link about pottery.
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« Reply #20: May 03, 2008, 05:30:17 pm »

She kept insisting that statues had "god holes" in them for the gods to escape when they didn't want to be worshiped. I finally gave up and posting a fricking article link about pottery.

Great Gods. I remember you ranting about that.
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« Reply #21: May 03, 2008, 05:35:42 pm »

Great Gods. I remember you ranting about that.

It was one of the more mind bending conversations I had over on About Christianity.
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« Reply #22: May 03, 2008, 05:56:16 pm »

Oh my head hurts. Pounding.

http://wwrn.org/article.php?idd=28472

In all reality, from those I've talked to with who've got hours behind bars logged, prison is boring.  Anything that makes the time go by is a welcome respite.  Be it religion or cockroach racing.

So the Wiccish fad has hit those in institutions seeking diversion.  Wheee hoo. 

The article was digging and scraping for intrigue where there was none.  Blech.
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« Reply #23: May 04, 2008, 05:13:02 am »

It's a very common misconception in the US, unfortunately.
I didn't know, the common prejudice in Germany is that they all hit their wives and arrange marriages for their daughters (who have to wear scarfs around their head all the time) at the age of 12 or something.
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« Reply #24: May 04, 2008, 08:23:51 am »

I didn't know, the common prejudice in Germany is that they all hit their wives and arrange marriages for their daughters (who have to wear scarfs around their head all the time) at the age of 12 or something.

That one isn't as much concern over here in the US. The Qu'ran bit is a bit problem with the Christian fundies so they are constantly bringing that type of nonsense up. They made a huge stink when some Muslim got elected to Congress and said he was going to be sworn in with his hand on the Qu'ran instead on the Bible. Note that this was for the ceremonial "photo op" swearing in -- the real oath of office in taken in the House chambers without any holy books. To the fundies, this was still a horrible thing as this offends them by ignoring their belief that the US is supposed to be a (fundie) Christian nation.
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« Reply #25: May 04, 2008, 09:42:54 am »

That one isn't as much concern over here in the US. The Qu'ran bit is a bit problem with the Christian fundies so they are constantly bringing that type of nonsense up. They made a huge stink when some Muslim got elected to Congress and said he was going to be sworn in with his hand on the Qu'ran instead on the Bible. Note that this was for the ceremonial "photo op" swearing in -- the real oath of office in taken in the House chambers without any holy books. To the fundies, this was still a horrible thing as this offends them by ignoring their belief that the US is supposed to be a (fundie) Christian nation.
It's hard to imagine for me. Here it isn't even commonly known that Muslims kiss their Qu'ran copies. An aquaintance with a Muslim friend told me that she had seen it. Of course there would be quite a bunch of concerns against a Muslim member of government, but kissing the Qu'ran would hardly be an issue.

Btw, we have one fundie party which does hardly get elected into any parliament (not even city counsel) as they get around 0,x % of the votes. (Thanks heaven.) The right wing extremists get more votes. (Not that I'm proud of it.) And the left wing socialists have much better chances to participiate than both groups. (Not that that does give me sleepless nights.)
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« Reply #26: May 04, 2008, 10:57:00 am »

Oh my head hurts. Pounding.

Here is a thought that popped in my head last night:

Why is it that if an inmate becomes a Born-Again Christian in prison it is considered a good thing and may help the inmate at a parole hearing but when another inmate converts to Wicca or another non-Christian religion people react oppositely?
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« Reply #27: May 04, 2008, 11:36:50 am »

Here is a thought that popped in my head last night:

Why is it that if an inmate becomes a Born-Again Christian in prison it is considered a good thing and may help the inmate at a parole hearing but when another inmate converts to Wicca or another non-Christian religion people react oppositely?

I suspect it's because Christianity is a mainstream religion with known tenets.
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« Reply #28: May 04, 2008, 11:46:59 am »

I suspect it's because Christianity is a mainstream religion with known tenets.

Of course.

Now this may just be me being my usual cynical self, but what are the chances that most of those prison Born-Agains are sincere about their conversion and not doing it to help get their asses out of jail?
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« Reply #29: May 04, 2008, 11:49:00 am »

Now this may just be me being my usual cynical self, but what are the chances that most of those prison Born-Agains are sincere about their conversion and not doing it to help get their asses out of jail?

Don't ask me. I'm at least as cynical as you are about it.
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