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« Reply #30: May 04, 2008, 12:05:02 pm »

Of course.

Now this may just be me being my usual cynical self, but what are the chances that most of those prison Born-Agains are sincere about their conversion and not doing it to help get their asses out of jail?

How many people are *converting* to help get their asses out of depression, bad financial situations, and other Life Crap?

btw, I love your cynical side Smiley
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« Reply #31: May 04, 2008, 03:20:25 pm »

That one isn't as much concern over here in the US. The Qu'ran bit is a bit problem with the Christian fundies so they are constantly bringing that type of nonsense up. They made a huge stink when some Muslim got elected to Congress and said he was going to be sworn in with his hand on the Qu'ran instead on the Bible. Note that this was for the ceremonial "photo op" swearing in -- the real oath of office in taken in the House chambers without any holy books. To the fundies, this was still a horrible thing as this offends them by ignoring their belief that the US is supposed to be a (fundie) Christian nation.

So he borrowed Thomas Jefferson's Qu'ran for the swearing-in, because nobody could seriously argue that TJ was unpatriotic.

I believe I blogged that with the tag 'neener neener'.
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« Reply #32: May 04, 2008, 03:51:04 pm »

How many people are *converting* to help get their asses out of depression, bad financial situations, and other Life Crap?

Dunno

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That's the way I always am.  I guess it doesn't show much here:)
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« Reply #33: May 04, 2008, 06:09:35 pm »

So he borrowed Thomas Jefferson's Qu'ran for the swearing-in, because nobody could seriously argue that TJ was unpatriotic.

I had forgotten that part. The Fundies never mention it, of course, when denouncing the Congressman in question.
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« Reply #34: May 04, 2008, 10:00:44 pm »

That one isn't as much concern over here in the US. The Qu'ran bit is a bit problem with the Christian fundies so they are constantly bringing that type of nonsense up. They made a huge stink when some Muslim got elected to Congress and said he was going to be sworn in with his hand on the Qu'ran instead on the Bible. Note that this was for the ceremonial "photo op" swearing in -- the real oath of office in taken in the House chambers without any holy books. To the fundies, this was still a horrible thing as this offends them by ignoring their belief that the US is supposed to be a (fundie) Christian nation.
Well, yeah, because he was worshipping the wrong book!  Can't have that. Tongue

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« Reply #35: May 04, 2008, 10:08:33 pm »

Oh my head hurts. Pounding.
I can't decide whether I'm embarrassed for Richard James, or by him - it may be mostly out-of-context quoting and other headdesk-journalism stuff (I've had to fall back on "a spell is kinda like prayer" myself when talking to people who just weren't getting it any other way, but I wouldn't do it with a reporter for fear of it being elided in just that way), but, while James isn't usually that overtly idiotic, he's prone to "disinfected version for public consumption" explanations.

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« Reply #36: May 04, 2008, 10:46:43 pm »

How many people are *converting* to help get their asses out of depression, bad financial situations, and other Life Crap?

btw, I love your cynical side Smiley

I imagine that the true percentageof conversions isa little better that the 'rice Christians' of China prior ro 1949.

Even if you truely repent of what ever, when the good stuff used as bate ends your chances of reverting are very good.
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« Reply #37: May 05, 2008, 11:12:31 am »

Of course.

Now this may just be me being my usual cynical self, but what are the chances that most of those prison Born-Agains are sincere about their conversion and not doing it to help get their asses out of jail?

I've been involved in law enforcement for more than ten years and it's amazing how many people suddenly "find religion" within the first 24 hours of sitting in a jail cell. It's mostly a panicked reaction...kind of a "Oh crap I've really screwed up this time...maybe God will get me out of it." That's not to say that they're all insincere...but I have my doubts about a lot of them. Especially the repeat offenders.

I think that the cultural differences among inmates has and will continue to play a part in this as well. Bored inmates that are serving extensive amounts of time in jail will look for diversions to make the time pass...religious or otherwise. It's also about fitting in. Better (and safer) to be part of a larger group of inmates within the jail than to be all alone.

Just my two cents... Smiley
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« Reply #38: May 05, 2008, 02:26:59 pm »

I've been involved in law enforcement for more than ten years and it's amazing how many people suddenly "find religion" within the first 24 hours of sitting in a jail cell. It's mostly a panicked reaction...kind of a "Oh crap I've really screwed up this time...maybe God will get me out of it." That's not to say that they're all insincere...but I have my doubts about a lot of them. Especially the repeat offenders.

I think Paris Hilton even pulled that one.
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« Reply #39: May 06, 2008, 01:01:07 pm »

I've been involved in law enforcement for more than ten years and it's amazing how many people suddenly "find religion" within the first 24 hours of sitting in a jail cell. It's mostly a panicked reaction...kind of a "Oh crap I've really screwed up this time...maybe God will get me out of it."

Sounds like the "There are no athiests in foxholes" phenomenon.  I wonder if there have been any studies done comparing whether repeat offenders are at higher or lower risk of perpetrating another crime if they have become involved with religion while in prison.
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« Reply #40: May 06, 2008, 02:54:37 pm »

Sounds like the "There are no athiests in foxholes" phenomenon.  I wonder if there have been any studies done comparing whether repeat offenders are at higher or lower risk of perpetrating another crime if they have become involved with religion while in prison.

http://skepticallythinking.home.comcast.net/~skepticallythinking/Oct2004Article1.htm

this is a faith-based program, as compared to "I found religion in prison"  but It might be related.
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« Reply #41: May 28, 2008, 01:15:35 pm »

That reminds me of a running argument I had with this stupid (and I do mean that) fundie when I was over on Delphi. She kept insisting that statues had "god holes" in them for the gods to escape when they didn't want to be worshiped. I finally gave up and posting a fricking article link about pottery.

God holes.  God holes.  God holes.

I can't stop thinking about God holes...

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« Reply #42: May 28, 2008, 01:19:37 pm »

Don't ask me. I'm at least as cynical as you are about it.

I so second that motion.  But hey, it is not for naught that the first syllable of my first name in offline life is the same as that adjective!
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« Reply #43: May 28, 2008, 01:21:43 pm »

God holes.  God holes.  God holes.

I can't stop thinking about God holes...

Brina

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Ye Gods, Brina.  For such a sweet, gentle looking woman you are EVIL at placing brain worms.  Don't make me shoot Barry Manilow songs at you in reaction!
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« Reply #44: May 28, 2008, 01:24:41 pm »

Ye Gods, Brina.  For such a sweet, gentle looking woman you are EVIL at placing brain worms.  Don't make me shoot Barry Manilow songs at you in reaction!

You seem tense, Cyn.  Does it have anything to do with the God holes?  <giggles>

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