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« Topic Start: May 02, 2008, 08:39:38 pm »

Wicca 404: Advanced Goddess Thealogy by Esra Free

I just finished reading this book and it has made a big difference for me. This book is all about theory...or rather theary, behind wicca beliefs. And as the author confesses, it may be a little controversial for those who are very by-the-book traditional wicca. I found it extremely refreshing, and for me, was able to put the 'reason' back into following a spiritual life. Esra's book is how I found these forums, I was so inspired...I wondered if there was a way to contact her or at least talk to others who have read her book. She has a few articles here on this site, and it seems to be a large active community here on the forums, I figured this was a good place to start.

Has anyone else read this book? What do you think?

A little personal background...
For the past few years, I was pretty inactive with my own spirituality. In high school, I found out about Wicca, and for a year or so I practiced it in the normal 'teen-newbie' ways (bought the "fluffy" books, started a book of shadows, got a bunch of candles, ect...). It was great at first, starting a new relationship with different way of looking at the world. But then I started to realize that most of my 'workings' I was just going through the motions with out feeling a ton of connection to what I was doing. And I think I just got bored with it...then college started and I didn't have a good place to practice so I just stopped. But I still held a pagan belief...I just packed it away in the back of my mind and let other things take my attention.

Fast forward...I'm two years out of college, moved out, working, completely independent. I've started to look for that spiritual connection again. I just know that whatever I do, it shouldn't feel like a chore. So I've concluded to myself that if we humans were meant to have a connection with the divine...we should be able to find it on our own with the 6 senses we were given. That is my basis, and I started to form other personal beliefs on how I thought things might be, and it's been a good re-start down the path. Then two weeks ago, I get an email from Amazon.com with a list of book suggestions and this book Wicca 404 book came up and got my attention. I was amazed while reading this book because it followed EXACTLY the spiritual theories I had started on my own, and expanded on those theories. So maybe Wicca is the right choice for me, but those '101' books alone we're not getting me to a place where a felt a true connection. (I'm sure thats a big "duh" from some of you more experienced practitioners)

Anyway, I highly recommend this book. Its a short read, with lots of thought provoking material. My only criticism about the book is that its full of very long run-on sentences...and sometimes its hard to follow on the first read though.

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« Reply #1: May 03, 2008, 04:08:48 am »


I just finished reading this book and it has made a big difference for me. This book is all about theory...or rather theary,

'Theary'?
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« Reply #2: May 03, 2008, 06:58:02 am »

'Theary'?

oh, because everyone KNOWS that theOry is just that awful patriarchal etc. etc.

stop inflicting your Os on us! Tongue  *runs*
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« Reply #3: May 03, 2008, 07:42:51 am »

oh, because everyone KNOWS that theOry is just that awful patriarchal etc. etc.

stop inflicting your Os on us! Tongue  *runs*

(*rolf* Yes, and we don't give a damn about the real etymology of a word - oh I mean etymalagy *runs same direction as shadow*)

The word theory comes from the greek word theoría which means insight, consideration - so I really don't know what to think about a book/author that massacres words in that way...until of course she intended something special by creating that word and explained that in her book.

Still doesn't sound like a book I would care to buy after reading the reviews on amazon. But then I'm not wicca. So I can't judge if it is of any worth.
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The word theory comes from the greek word theoría which means insight, consideration - so I really don't know what to think about a book/author that massacres words in that way...until of course she intended something special by creating that word and explained that in her book.

I haven't read it, so I can't say for sure, but I would guess she's looking at "theory" and picking out the Latin root "theo" (as in theology), and replacing it with "thea".  I've seen that done somewhere with "theology" ("thealogy")--and don't agree with it there either, incidentally.
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« Reply #5: May 03, 2008, 07:52:02 am »

I haven't read it, so I can't say for sure, but I would guess she's looking at "theory" and picking out the Latin root "theo" (as in theology), and replacing it with "thea".  I've seen that done somewhere with "theology" ("thealogy")--and don't agree with it there either, incidentally.

Yes, I guess that was the her reason.
I don't like such word...creativity either. In german the moon is a male word, because the old moon deity was male and the sun is a female word because the old sun deity was female. I always wince when somebody is saying 'die Mondin' (-in being often a female ending) just to make the word female *shudders*
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« Reply #6: May 03, 2008, 08:03:51 am »

Yes, I guess that was the her reason.
I don't like such word...creativity either. In german the moon is a male word, because the old moon deity was male and the sun is a female word because the old sun deity was female. I always wince when somebody is saying 'die Mondin' (-in being often a female ending) just to make the word female *shudders*
Gee, I never got scratches by calling a male cat 'die Katze' (general term for both sexes, but grammatically female), so why should the moon mind?
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« Reply #7: May 03, 2008, 08:04:39 am »

I haven't read it, so I can't say for sure, but I would guess she's looking at "theory" and picking out the Latin root "theo" (as in theology), and replacing it with "thea".  I've seen that done somewhere with "theology" ("thealogy")--and don't agree with it there either, incidentally.

So... what's the Latin root "thea"? Or is it just a feminization of "theo"? Somehow I have a feeling it's not nearly as interesting a word construction as I think it is, and it's just a feminization.
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« Reply #8: May 03, 2008, 08:09:47 am »

In german the moon is a male word, because the old moon deity was male and the sun is a female word because the old sun deity was female. I always wince when somebody is saying 'die Mondin' (-in being often a female ending) just to make the word female *shudders*

According to many bad Pagan 101 books, the moon deity is ALWAYS female and the sun deity is ALWAYS male in ALL cultures throughout the world and in all eras of history. Reality is NOT allowed to intrude on this TRUTH. Roll Eyes
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According to many bad Pagan 101 books, the moon deity is ALWAYS female and the sun deity is ALWAYS male in ALL cultures throughout the world and in all eras of history. Reality is NOT allowed to intrude on this TRUTH. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #10: May 03, 2008, 12:09:40 pm »

According to many bad Pagan 101 books, the moon deity is ALWAYS female and the sun deity is ALWAYS male in ALL cultures throughout the world and in all eras of history. Reality is NOT allowed to intrude on this TRUTH. Roll Eyes

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It should also be noted that the Germanic/Norse groups are not the only one with male moon and female sun.  In the Egyptian Pantheon all of the solar and lunar deities are male (or at least the ones considered to be the actual sun and moon.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong) and the Japanese sun deity is female (not sure about the moon deity).
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« Reply #11: May 03, 2008, 12:56:01 pm »

....and the Japanese sun deity is female (not sure about the moon deity).

The Japanese moon deity is male (Tsuki-yomi). He is the brother of the sun goddess.  And you are right, male moon deities are actually relatively common as even a little research will show. This proves yet again that many Pagan 101 book authors really don't do any fact checking on their claims.
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« Reply #12: May 03, 2008, 01:08:26 pm »

I haven't read it, so I can't say for sure, but I would guess she's looking at "theory" and picking out the Latin root "theo" (as in theology), and replacing it with "thea".  I've seen that done somewhere with "theology" ("thealogy")--and don't agree with it there either, incidentally.
I detest people messing with grammar and etymology more than I can say, but "thealogy" never really bothered me, as long as it was referring to the study of goddesses and goddess worship.  Now "Herstory" OTOH, is guaranteed to send me through the roof. 

I'm currently reading Drawing Down the Moon - which I've really enjoyed to this point.  The chapter on feminism and goddess worship, however, with Z Budapest and all her "wimmin"s and "womon"s, is making me spar.  It's been tough to get through, to say the least.  A double shame, since there's a lot of interesting information in that chapter.

I had assumed the OP was using "theary" in a tongue-in-cheek way.
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« Reply #13: May 03, 2008, 01:10:08 pm »

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It should also be noted that the Germanic/Norse groups are not the only one with male moon and female sun.  In the Egyptian Pantheon all of the solar and lunar deities are male (or at least the ones considered to be the actual sun and moon.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong) and the Japanese sun deity is female (not sure about the moon deity).
Sin is another moon god.  Babylonian?  Sumerian?  Akkadian?  I get all those early cultures confused.

Lot of exceptions to that "rule."
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« Reply #14: May 03, 2008, 01:18:01 pm »

Sin is another moon god.  Babylonian?  Sumerian?  Akkadian?  I get all those early cultures confused.

A quick search tells me that Sin is a Sumerian God.

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Lot of exceptions to that "rule."

To tell the truth, the only pantheons I can think of where the sun=male and the moon=female are the Greek and Roman ones.  AFAIK, Wicca is more influenced by the Celts so is the male sun and female moon in that culture as well?  I mean, I vaguely recall a male solar deity, but what about female?

As another note, according to the Egyptians, the Earth is male and the sky is female.  Just trying poke holes in another deity misconception found in 101 books.
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