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« Reply #15: April 11, 2007, 10:17:26 am »

That sounds very interesting.  I'm beginning to think that there's a few more parts of myself that could do with binding.  I wonder if a similar process would work for virtues as well as vices?

Identify-objectify method works with all kinds of 'parts' of oneself, at least in my experience. With virtues, there's really no need to do the third part - banish. Cheesy Doing that with several 'parts' at a time can make for a rather split-personality kind of feeling for a while, though.
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« Reply #16: April 11, 2007, 10:18:52 am »

Identify-objectify method works with all kinds of 'parts' of oneself, at least in my experience. With virtues, there's really no need to do the third part - banish. Cheesy Doing that with several 'parts' at a time can make for a rather split-personality kind of feeling for a while, though.

I found banish didn't really get rid of the effected part of myself (I used it on my depression), just gave me the option of commanding it.  very now and then I wonder if I could try and get my depression to do jobs for me. Cheesy
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« Reply #17: April 11, 2007, 07:06:20 pm »

Fausta: that was totally fascinating to read. *saves that idea for later*

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Every now and then I wonder if I could try and get my depression to do jobs for me.

Now that's an awesome idea. If you come up with any hows for that, you have got to share!
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« Reply #18: April 12, 2007, 03:49:52 am »



Now that's an awesome idea. If you come up with any hows for that, you have got to share!

I have a fairly good idea most uses would be unethical.  I just wondered at the possiblity at switching from an abstract view of the banishing etc (to gaining dominance over a personality aspect) to something more 'demony', or treating my depression as a kind of familiar or fetch.  I figure the obvious one would be causing depression in other people, but that seems a bit unethical to test randomly. Smiley  Other than that, it's a case of try and see.

I think I'll wait til Im back from visiting my other half.  Kooky occult experiments are for home! Cheesy
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« Reply #19: April 12, 2007, 12:19:13 pm »

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My immediate reaction being, "ethics?!"

But seriously, yeah, I can see how causing random depression in others would be a bit on the not-so-nice side of things... but if a good target ever presents itself, well at least you've got something to try.

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Agreed. And as a random note: hotel rooms are so not conductive to kooky occult experiments either.
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« Reply #20: April 12, 2007, 10:04:53 pm »

I found banish didn't really get rid of the effected part of myself (I used it on my depression), just gave me the option of commanding it.

Do you think your depression might be a 'part of you'? You see, my experiments in trying to outright banish stuff that's pretty much a part of me doesn't really work as well as banishing influences, blocks, stresses, learned attitudes & responses etc does.

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Well, a temporary depression spread around might be an effective way of getting a table at a crowded bar. Wink
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« Reply #21: April 13, 2007, 06:22:29 am »

Do you think your depression might be a 'part of you'? You see, my experiments in trying to outright banish stuff that's pretty much a part of me doesn't really work as well as banishing influences, blocks, stresses, learned attitudes & responses etc does.

Well, a temporary depression spread around might be an effective way of getting a table at a crowded bar. Wink

Or they might be too depressed to bother moving. Smiley  And yes, I'd view the depression as part of me, but I do feel as though the i-o-b method helped me gain a level of control that wasn't there before.
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« Reply #22: April 13, 2007, 06:30:16 am »

My immediate reaction being, "ethics?!"

But seriously, yeah, I can see how causing random depression in others would be a bit on the not-so-nice side of things... but if a good target ever presents itself, well at least you've got something to try.

Agreed. And as a random note: hotel rooms are so not conductive to kooky occult experiments either.


On the note of ethics: I'm fine with blurring the whole ethical line, or adopting alternative ethics etc.  But I think to make a long standing practice you need some kind of ethical system going.  For practical reasons at least - if I went around acting like the stereotypical Chaote I'd piss off a great number of people. Smiley  Andbeing isolated isnt really in accordance with my Will.  (I *like* the amoral aspects of Chaos magic, I just think that compromises have to be made for practical reasons).

As for hotels - I dont see why you couldnt run kooky experiments there - so long as they arent the kind to make a mess Cheesy
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« Reply #23: April 13, 2007, 08:02:24 am »

Or they might be too depressed to bother moving. Smiley

Good point. Cheesy

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::nodnod:: I think we're on the same page here. Smiley

A really working banishing (which I can get to work with outside influences) would be the type of "be gone and bother me no more", with inner influences much more of a "I'm the boss here, don't you forget it".
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« Reply #24: April 14, 2007, 07:25:15 am »

Good point. Cheesy

::nodnod:: I think we're on the same page here. Smiley

A really working banishing (which I can get to work with outside influences) would be the type of "be gone and bother me no more", with inner influences much more of a "I'm the boss here, don't you forget it".


Yup.  Although the joy of Chaos magic is that I can switch between 'its a part of me, and Im boss' and 'Its my pet demon, and Im boss.'  The other night I meditatedo n the thought of it as some kind of hound,r eady to savage at my command.  Cos..umm..well, you never know when it might be good for a giggle. Cheesy
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« Reply #25: April 14, 2007, 05:41:38 pm »

Yup.  Although the joy of Chaos magic is that I can switch between 'its a part of me, and Im boss' and 'Its my pet demon, and Im boss.'

Oh yes. Cheesy As well as between "I'm an individual" and "I'm a multividual" (read: "I'm a single personality / I'm a composition of many personalities").

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Oh my, a depression-hound.

Now I've got images of that old cartoon hound in my head, going "I'm so happy..." in a sad, sad voice. Cheesy
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« Reply #26: April 15, 2007, 02:43:37 am »

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Droopy?

*can only think of that Harvey Birdman episode where Droopy got a facelift*
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« Reply #27: April 15, 2007, 07:06:14 am »

My plant killing experiments were probably the closest thing to true *experimentation* I've done.


PLANT-KILLER!!!  Angry  Wink

But that reminds me of something I sometimes do while jogging. If I feel my energy flagging, I tend to touch something -- a branch, tree bark, leaves and flowers -- and visualize getting a boost. But, conscious about killing plants, I also visualize my 'excess energy' (you know, the heat you give off while jogging) being absorbed into the earth.

Probably more psychological than anything (since it distracts me from the fact that I'm hyperventilating), but it works.
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« Reply #28: April 15, 2007, 07:10:29 am »

I have a fairly good idea most uses would be unethical.  I just wondered at the possiblity at switching from an abstract view of the banishing etc (to gaining dominance over a personality aspect) to something more 'demony', or treating my depression as a kind of familiar or fetch.  I figure the obvious one would be causing depression in other people, but that seems a bit unethical to test randomly. Smiley  Other than that, it's a case of try and see.

I think I'll wait til Im back from visiting my other half.  Kooky occult experiments are for home! Cheesy

I've never objectified something permanently (sometimes visualized something on the spot, but no fancy ritual or anything), though I've considered 'draining' my negative emotions into certain people. Haven't done it yet, and I doubt I have the skill, but catch me in a really foul, don't-give-a-damn mood one day... Tongue
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« Reply #29: April 15, 2007, 07:11:34 am »

Do you think your depression might be a 'part of you'? You see, my experiments in trying to outright banish stuff that's pretty much a part of me doesn't really work as well as banishing influences, blocks, stresses, learned attitudes & responses etc does.


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Thank you!!!

That explains a few things... Lips sealed
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