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« Reply #15: April 23, 2007, 05:46:17 am »


I can't help you with the Zep Tepi but, according to Geraldine Pinch's "Egyptian Mythology", Nun is the "...personification of the primeval ocean from which all life came." It continues to surround the world and is considered the oldest and father of the gods.

Thanks ... when I see "Zep Tepi" I keep imagining ZZ Top, and I know that's not right.  Smiley
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« Reply #16: April 23, 2007, 07:12:26 am »

Wow. That's what I'm going to use from now on.

I can't help you with the Zep Tepi but, according to Geraldine Pinch's "Egyptian Mythology", Nun is the "...personification of the primeval ocean from which all life came." It continues to surround the world and is considered the oldest and father of the gods.

psst: when you quote, can you please use the quote function on the post you're replying to, and not just the bb code?  that way we can track which message you're replying TO.  thanks.
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« Reply #17: April 23, 2007, 02:06:00 pm »

I can't help you with the Zep Tepi but, according to Geraldine Pinch's "Egyptian Mythology", Nun is the "...personification of the primeval ocean from which all life came." It continues to surround the world and is considered the oldest and father of the gods.

Zep Tepi translates as "The First Time".

The moment of creation: the first speaking of the names, the first light of the sun, the instant upon the benben from which everything Unfolds.

Restoring contact with this moment is the purpose of ritual: maintaining and upholding the perfection of creation is a part of the essence of ma'at.  We cannot lose access to Zep Tepi, because that we are here now is proof that creation happened, it is implicit.
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« Reply #18: April 24, 2007, 11:40:43 pm »

psst: when you quote, can you please use the quote function on the post you're replying to, and not just the bb code?  that way we can track which message you're replying TO.  thanks.

Oops! Sorry.
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« Reply #19: April 25, 2007, 02:12:49 am »

Zep Tepi translates as "The First Time".

The moment of creation: the first speaking of the names, the first light of the sun, the instant upon the benben from which everything Unfolds.

Restoring contact with this moment is the purpose of ritual: maintaining and upholding the perfection of creation is a part of the essence of ma'at.  We cannot lose access to Zep Tepi, because that we are here now is proof that creation happened, it is implicit.

Ah, I see.
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« Reply #20: September 19, 2007, 05:11:06 pm »

Isfet is the Ancient Egyptian term for it.  Apophis is the Greek term for it.  It is uncreation. 

...Umm, not to be a stickler here, but, doesn't isfet more closely translate to the opposite
of Ma'at--chaos, disorder, and wrong? For example, in the papyrus of Ani under the 42 Negative
Confessions, the first one Ani says is (transliterating as best I can thru web code):

"Ii, Usekh, per em Unnu, nen iri-i isfet." translated as--

"Hail, Strider, Coming Forth from Unnu (Heliopolis), I have done no wrong."

    How can someone *do* "uncreation"? That's another interpretation that's always bothered me.

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« Reply #21: September 19, 2007, 05:32:08 pm »

How can someone *do* "uncreation"? That's another interpretation that's always bothered me.

Not Kemetic, but what immediately sprung to mind is: correct action is upholding ma'at, it is maintaining creation, right? So incorrect action is destroying ma'at, and undoing creation- therefore it is uncreation. Just my $.02.
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« Reply #22: September 19, 2007, 06:45:10 pm »



    How can someone *do* "uncreation"? That's another interpretation that's always bothered me.

How can someone *do* creation? 

Ra (insert creator/creatrix here) sprung forth from Nun (potentiality of creation/chaos etc, stuff life is made of and not made of etc).  That is the primal act of creation and upholding it (doing ma'at) stops creation from returning to that void where there is no creation and therefore everything is unmade. 

I liked Juni's answer. 
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« Reply #23: September 20, 2007, 10:51:00 am »


    How can someone *do* "uncreation"? That's another interpretation that's always bothered me.

--Tut

Not Kemetic, but what immediately sprung to mind is: correct action is upholding ma'at, it is maintaining creation, right? So incorrect action is destroying ma'at, and undoing creation- therefore it is uncreation. Just my $.02.

How can someone *do* creation? 

Ra (insert creator/creatrix here) sprung forth from Nun (potentiality of creation/chaos etc, stuff life is made of and not made of etc).  That is the primal act of creation and upholding it (doing ma'at) stops creation from returning to that void where there is no creation and therefore everything is unmade. 
I liked Juni's answer. 

I have a slightly different interpretation involving Neith who is both a creator and a void - "I am what was, is and will always be."

Everything was, is, and will be created, uncreated, created, uncreated....for eternity.
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« Reply #24: November 19, 2007, 02:26:09 pm »

What are the core concepts that Kemeticism is based on?
These are the ones I can think of so far:

Ma'at: the world is well made and orderly, and requires maintenance.
heka: language is the means by which the world is created and maintained.
Ka: the world and all things in it have a spiritual existence.
netjer: the divine nature of the universe expresses itself as many individual Names.
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I like this idea. I've been trying to come up with a generic list of terms which are important in Kemetic religion with definitions, so what I'll do is just solidify what's already been said into a list and then add some of my own.

Ma'at: "the world is well made and orderly, and requires maintenance" (sefiru); Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, Truth begets truth, lies beget lies (Magpie)

Heka: "language is the means by which the world is created and maintained" (sefiru); as such, words have great power and should be used carefully and not turned against ourselves or others (Magpie)

Ka: "the world and all things in it have a spiritual existence" (sefiru); Literally, the ka is the most psychologically present part of the human soul (Magpie)

Ba: the unconscious part of the human soul, the most eternal and lasting part of the 7 parts (Magpie)

Netjer: "the divine nature of the universe expresses itself as many individual Names" (sefiru)

Isfet: Evil, untruth, uncreation as carried out by Ap*p, the Uncreated, in the course of attempting to throw Ma'at off Her balance and unmake Creation (Magpie)

Djet: Linear time, expressed in such things as the progression of years (2006, 2007, 2008, etc) or ages (18,19, 20, etc), and so forth. Time that does not repeat (Magpie)

Neheh: Time that is cyclical, such as seasons and months; the kind of time that renews itself, symbolically renewing Creation as well (Magpie)

The Nun: "[...] according to Geraldine Pinch's "Egyptian Mythology", Nun is the "...personification of the primeval ocean from which all life came." It continues to surround the world and is considered the oldest and father of the gods." (Adoratrix)

Zep Tepi: "Zep Tepi translates as "The First Time".

The moment of creation: the first speaking of the names, the first light of the sun, the instant upon the benben from which everything Unfolds.

Restoring contact with this moment is the purpose of ritual: maintaining and upholding the perfection of creation is a part of the essence of ma'at.  We cannot lose access to Zep Tepi, because that we are here now is proof that creation happened, it is implicit." (Darkhawk); A symbol of Zep Tepi is the sunrise, and it can be said that every sunrise is a kind of mini-Zep Tepi, renewing the world and everything in it, giving everyone a clean slate (Magpie)

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I think it''d be neat to come up with a list of the various definitions of different Kemetics of this. It's nice to converse with an open minded group of folks on the subject and get different perspectives; if you have something to add or something to one of the terms on the list, please do! Smiley This could be exciting.
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