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« Topic Start: June 05, 2008, 09:31:11 am »

Traditionally one uses an Athame in a circle and sometimes a sword even. Some say that no steel weapons should be within the circle as it intimidates other worldly beings invited, amongst many other reasons. Some have opted to create wooden Athames or use wands of a sorts. What do you think??

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« Reply #1: June 05, 2008, 09:47:44 am »

Traditionally one uses an Athame in a circle and sometimes a sword even. Some say that no steel weapons should be within the circle as it intimidates other worldly beings invited, amongst many other reasons. Some have opted to create wooden Athames or use wands of a sorts. What do you think??



First: background - I am solitary and very much in the nature worship path of Wicca.

I don't think that the material that the blade is made from would mater more than the intent of the wielder. I don't have a lot of personal experience with the tool. What matters to any of the Gods or spirits I have worked with is my intent and my focus. I've known people who've used a butter knife with as much success as a $600 custom athame.
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« Reply #2: June 05, 2008, 09:59:39 am »

Traditionally one uses an Athame in a circle and sometimes a sword even. Some say that no steel weapons should be within the circle as it intimidates other worldly beings invited, amongst many other reasons. Some have opted to create wooden Athames or use wands of a sorts. What do you think??

I have been studying paganism and the occult for five years and this is the first time I ever heard of steal weapons intimidating other worldly beings.  Can you give an example of someone who said it or if it is a somewhat common belief among Wiccans in your area?
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« Reply #3: June 05, 2008, 10:06:24 am »

What do you think??

I really don't see where "what" you use would really matter.  I have used my own hand made wands of copper and stone cores with leather wrappings etc. the few times I have actually used implements.  I have used nothing, and I.... (epiphany: I have a marble stone dagger that was given to me w/ a horse's head.  Time to talk to Epona again!)  sorry where was I? oh!  I don't really see much of a difference of what you would use, more then the intention behind it.  I would say that IMO it would be UPG.
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« Reply #4: June 05, 2008, 10:25:08 am »

Traditionally one uses an Athame in a circle and sometimes a sword even. Some say that no steel weapons should be within the circle as it intimidates other worldly beings invited, amongst many other reasons. Some have opted to create wooden Athames or use wands of a sorts. What do you think??

I've heard of the whole "fae not liking cold iron" thing, as well as discussions of what exactly is "cold" iron.  But I haven't heard it related to steel.  My athame is an obsidian arrowhead with a piece of leather wrapped on to it, because that was what seemed to suit me.  (I wire-wrapped it and my wand.)
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« Reply #5: June 05, 2008, 10:27:48 am »

I've heard of the whole "fae not liking cold iron" thing, as well as discussions of what exactly is "cold" iron.  But I haven't heard it related to steel.  My athame is an obsidian arrowhead with a piece of leather wrapped on to it, because that was what seemed to suit me.  (I wire-wrapped it and my wand.)

**nods** Iron is what I've heard, too.

I think someone may have gotten their metals skewed.
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« Reply #6: June 05, 2008, 10:57:22 am »

I have been studying paganism and the occult for five years and this is the first time I ever heard of steal weapons intimidating other worldly beings.

Certainly not part of my path, nor have I ever heard this before, either.
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« Reply #7: June 05, 2008, 12:32:01 pm »

Traditionally one uses an Athame in a circle and sometimes a sword even. Some say that no steel weapons should be within the circle as it intimidates other worldly beings invited, amongst many other reasons. Some have opted to create wooden Athames or use wands of a sorts. What do you think??

I think material matters: my experience is that a metal blade holds and contains energy in a very different way than a wooden one, or an obsidian one. (Likewise, different kinds of woods, likewise things like alcohol vs. juice or water in a chalice.)

Otherwise, people wouldn't care, right? My athame is steel. My wands are wood. My chalices are silver and clay. My primary pentacle is metal. There're specific reasons for all of those choices, which I'm happy to discuss with people willing to listen long enough. I know they're not the only choices for some kinds of work, but there's also limit to how many ritual tools I really want to own/store/tend.

The only 'otherwordly beings' one I've heard is the Good Folk: most of the time, they are not part of my work in that context, so it's not an issue. (When they are, I consider whether iron in the circle is an issue. Given that I live in a home built in the last 200 years, you can be sure there's tons of iron in the house, though. And that cast-iron pan on the stove, and so on.)

(Steel does, of course, include iron: depends on whether you have concerns about cold iron or all iron. Folklore theories vary somewhat.)
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« Reply #8: June 05, 2008, 01:06:47 pm »

My athame is steel. My wands are wood. My chalices are silver and clay. My primary pentacle is metal. There're specific reasons for all of those choices, which I'm happy to discuss with people willing to listen long enough. 

I'm game! Seriously I would love to why those choices!
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« Reply #9: June 05, 2008, 01:09:28 pm »

**nods** Iron is what I've heard, too.

I think someone may have gotten their metals skewed.

Steel is made with iron, so if one is being scientific about it, I would think steel would carry the same anti-fairy effect?  But, since fairies aren't much what I worry about, this is luckily not among my magical worries!  My husband owns a lovely little blade of obsidian, but when I pick it up, it feels pretty dead in my hands.  I will stick to my blackened steel blade with its pretty sharp, shiny double edges. :-)
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« Reply #10: June 05, 2008, 02:31:58 pm »

I would think steel would carry the same anti-fairy effect?  But, since fairies aren't much what I worry about

Our house is full of blades of all stripes and kinds - and it's never stopped any of the fey from dropping by or from living with us.
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« Reply #11: June 05, 2008, 02:44:11 pm »

Our house is full of blades of all stripes and kinds - and it's never stopped any of the fey from dropping by or from living with us.

LOl...we are so very "metal" here...but then, should I assume it is my affinity for iron skillets and cauldrons that keeps me fey-less?  (Well, other than that mood of my own that I am accused of sporting too often?!)
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« Reply #12: June 05, 2008, 03:14:21 pm »

but then, should I assume it is my affinity for iron skillets and cauldrons that keeps me fey-less?

I wouldn't think so as I have those things, too. Grin
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« Reply #13: June 05, 2008, 05:17:26 pm »

I think material matters: my experience is that a metal blade holds and contains energy in a very different way than a wooden one, or an obsidian one. (Likewise, different kinds of woods, likewise things like alcohol vs. juice or water in a chalice.)

There is that. My personal belief is that an athame is a blade and is meant to BE a blade. That symbolism is important to me, so any athame that I have or use will either a) be made from metal and at least appear as a blade (whether sharp or not...preferably sharp) or b) made from some other material that can actually CUT. (Ie: obsidian)

After that, comes the energy concerns. Then I get into: what is it made from? What is the handle made from? (for example my Gwyddon athame doesn't 'project' as well as my personal one does. My personal athame has a metal handle, my Gwyddon athame has a bone handle).
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« Reply #14: June 05, 2008, 05:27:47 pm »

Some say that no steel weapons should be within the circle as it intimidates other worldly beings invited, amongst many other reasons.

I've never heard of steel bothering other world beings. At least not in general, there might be some specific types who have a problem with steel. Fae creatures tend not to like iron. "Cold Iron" is just iron, btw.
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