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« Reply #30: September 15, 2008, 03:17:23 pm »

I am new and in the "clueless and/or misinformed by bad 101 books" stage  I picked up a book by Silver RavenWolf To Ride A Silver Broomstick. However, after reading a few chapters I found alot that didn't make sense with the little know ( I don't claim to know much as I am just starting out) and some of what I was reading just didn't seem logical. So I am back trying to find a decent book for a beginner.  I would appreciate some suggestions on where to start.
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Personally I have The Complete Idiot's Guide to Wicca and Witchcraft. As well as several other Idiot's Guide books. I found them quite knowledgeable when I was just starting out. I actually still have them. As well as a few other newly aquired books. Not Idiot's Guide series however.  Grin
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« Reply #31: September 15, 2008, 03:41:57 pm »

If you are looking for a book on Witchcraft, a good 101 book is "Wicca: a Guide for the Solitary Practitioner," by Scott Cunningham.  That is the book that started me on my path towards paganism many years ago.  A good book for traditional rites is "A Witches' Bible: The Complete Witches Handbook," by Janet and Stewart Farrar
I did not buy this book until I was already into magick.  Reading it from that point of view, I felt it was a book about religious practice as opposed to magick.  This is a very important distinction.  Religion can be intertwined with magick, but the two are not mutually exclusive.  Practicing Wicca is a religious/spiritual choice while practicing magick is a utility.  I am not a wiccan, but I hold a lot of wiccan views.  I love all of Cunningham's books even if I do not agree with everything he says.  I own most of them, he wrote very concise sourcebooks for spellwork.  If that's what you're into.

I personally like the book "Witchcraft  Theory and Practice" by Ly DeAngeles.  It contains exercises to sharpen your skills and techniques of magick.  This is a wiccan book.  Do I pray to all the Deities that they put forth?  No.  Do I worship exactly like they tell me to?  Nope.  Do I even believe in all the Gods they believe in?  Oh, Hell, No.  Does this stop me being able to utilize the information?  Of course not.  And it shouldn't stop you either.  

As you explore these differences you'll also come to realize that there is a vast array of different Pagan paths as well as forms of magick.  Cunningham's Wicca is an excellent book for wiccans.  But not a good book for Druids, Hellenists, Chaotes, or all the other pagans who chose not to distinguish themselves.  If you are looking to follow a wiccan path, I recommend these books and anything by Cunningham or the Farrars.  However, if you are not sure what you are into yet, google some basic definitions of these other followings, so that you have a base of knowledge of what else is out there.  Flip through all matter of spiritual books in the library, or the book store and see what fits.  It's all to easy to think what you are reading is what is and nothing else.

Many people start in the New Age section, which is non descriptive.  There are to many religions squished into one spot and badly organised.  So many start with books on Wicca because they think that it's an amalgamation of Paganism.  It is not.  Paganism is a universal term, Wicca is a form of Paganism.  I hope this helps you discern the mountain of literary choices you have.  You could also try to read some history.  Oftentimes, a particular culture and/or their practices is what your attracted to and a little history will let you into their world.  It may sway you more towards the direction you might be looking for.

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« Reply #32: September 18, 2008, 07:14:41 pm »

Or you could be like me. It was Cunningham's Wicca books and Starhawk's Spiral Dance that turned me off and had me walk away from Wicca. Smiley

I suppose that isn't what is generally meant when people recommend these as "must reads", but that's what happened to me.
The more I think about it, the more I have to say that, while yours is usually not the result at the forefront of my mind when I recommend those books, it's absolutely within the bounds of what I intend.  In fact, that clarifies for me just why my recommendation "shortlist" is what it is:  they're the books I consider especially valuable for a Pagan seeker in determining whether or not Wicca/neoPagan religious Witchcraft is a suitable path - a clarification that will be very useful to me in constructing that part of the Wicca essay for the Teens & Paganism project.

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« Reply #33: September 20, 2008, 10:12:04 am »

The more I think about it, the more I have to say that, while yours is usually not the result at the forefront of my mind when I recommend those books, it's absolutely within the bounds of what I intend.  In fact, that clarifies for me just why my recommendation "shortlist" is what it is:  they're the books I consider especially valuable for a Pagan seeker in determining whether or not Wicca/neoPagan religious Witchcraft is a suitable path - a clarification that will be very useful to me in constructing that part of the Wicca essay for the Teens & Paganism project.

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This is one of those instances where I'd say something is good in a weird way. LOL I'd have been an utter disaster as a Wiccan (neo- or trad), and witchcraft (beyond being a dirt or kitchen witch) wasn't very appealing either. The best thing that could have happened was for me to find out early on (and it was early; about six months) that those particular paths weren't where I wanted to wander for long.

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« Reply #34: September 24, 2008, 02:25:24 am »

If it's still around, I'd suggest Doreen Valiente's Witchcraft for Tomorrow.
Darn good book, one recommed to my by a former coven-mate.  I had to order mine from a used book seller.

People seem to either love Cunningham's work or deride it as 'fluffy,' but when I was just looking into Wicca his book Wicca: A Guide... was an essential read.  For me it gave just enough info to satisfy my initial curiosity and help me decide if I wanted to dig a little deeper.  His Living Wicca was also good-- he expounds quite a bit on his own philosophies and ethics, which some probably find a tad dogmatic, but I found it quite interesting.

After Cunningham (just for informational purposes) I'd recommend C. Penczak's Inner Temple of Witchcraft.  As the title suggests, it focuses on honing 'inner' work as a prerequisite and preparation for doing any operative 'outer' work.  The early chapters focus on meditation, visualisation, and energy work; an excellent way to build a foundation if these practices are new to you. 
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« Reply #35: September 26, 2008, 03:05:40 pm »

Has anyone read the book Wiccan Warrior by Kerr Cuhulain? Is it worth of reading?

I read it pretty early on and was also disappointed.  I'm very much on a warrior path, but I've never actually found a useful whole book about it.  (There's a little bit in Evolutionary Witchcraft by Thorn Coyle about the warrior ethic which I do like.)
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« Reply #36: September 26, 2008, 11:05:44 pm »

I read it pretty early on and was also disappointed.  I'm very much on a warrior path, but I've never actually found a useful whole book about it.
I wasn't all that disappointed, since I was already several years into the stage where the vast majority of books had only useful supplementary bits to offer - it was fairly good for that, and did consider angles that weren't often covered.  I'd have liked more "useful bits" specifically w/r/t the Warrior Path - really, it was less a book about the WP per se, and more a book about how those attitudes weren't inconsistent with Wiccish neoPaganism.  That's not to be sneezed at; not many years earlier, the mainstream neoPagan community tended to be kinda hostile about the WP, so the book's mere existence was gratifying.  (Though I'm not sure if the shift from, "But how can you be a Real Wiccantm?" to everybody and his familiar wanting to claim a WP is really an improvement.)

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« Reply #37: September 27, 2008, 11:33:04 am »

I'd have liked more "useful bits" specifically w/r/t the Warrior Path - really, it was less a book about the WP per se, and more a book about how those attitudes weren't inconsistent with Wiccish neoPaganism.  That's not to be sneezed at; not many years earlier, the mainstream neoPagan community tended to be kinda hostile about the WP, so the book's mere existence was gratifying.

*thinks back* I read it quite awhile ago - I think when I was agnostic/in denial about being Pagan.  I think I took it for granted that one could be Wiccish neoPaganism and WP - I certainly was strongly considering it.  I don't think I ran across the idea that there could be a contradiction until later - weird.  And these days I think I take it for granted because it's such a strong part of most of my path (and me).
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« Reply #38: September 27, 2008, 11:14:43 pm »

I think I took it for granted that one could be Wiccish neoPaganism and WP - I certainly was strongly considering it.  I don't think I ran across the idea that there could be a contradiction until later - weird.  And these days I think I take it for granted because it's such a strong part of most of my path (and me).
Well, yeah - I didn't question whether the combo worked, because I was a living, breathing demonstration of it.

When I was seeing that hostility was the early to mid-'90s - it gradually faded; the publication of Wiccan Warrior, IMO, was both an indicator of the attitude shift that had already occurred, and a catalyst to keep the shift going.

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« Reply #39: September 29, 2008, 11:43:22 am »


I am only using the quote so I can reply. Smiley

Myself I am searching for books on Witchcraft, not Wicca but I am encountering problems finding books that deal with the craft instead of the religion.

See..I am not interested in religion and if this craft holds any validity and if these "energies" can be utilized..are there books that deal with that aspect?

Right now I have a couple of books listed by Penczak and even one by Oberon Zell-Ravenheart..that might be promising. Are such books even available?

Sorry if this sounds dopey but it seems as if some books use the terms Wicca and Witchcraft as if it is the same thing and some books contain rather dubious information.

I just want info on using these energies without interjecting religion...not that I am saying religion is wrong, I just have no use for it.

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« Reply #40: September 29, 2008, 12:21:03 pm »

I am only using the quote so I can reply. Smiley

Myself I am searching for books on Witchcraft, not Wicca but I am encountering problems finding books that deal with the craft instead of the religion.

See..I am not interested in religion and if this craft holds any validity and if these "energies" can be utilized..are there books that deal with that aspect?

Right now I have a couple of books listed by Penczak and even one by Oberon Zell-Ravenheart..that might be promising. Are such books even available?

Sorry if this sounds dopey but it seems as if some books use the terms Wicca and Witchcraft as if it is the same thing and some books contain rather dubious information.

I just want info on using these energies without interjecting religion...not that I am saying religion is wrong, I just have no use for it.

Thanks
I too have a similar problem.  I am not an athiest, however I do keep worship and magick seperate.  For me, witchcraft is a methodology for accomplishing my goals.  In ways equivalent to physical labor, but mental.  I find that there are not many books on magick apart from deity.  I beleive the reason is that most people see the energies of the universe as one and the same as the energies of a divine source, and simply cannot see it from the perspective of being seperate. 

Thus, I read all manner of books on witchcraft and magic and practical associated books such as herbology, and omit the parts on god/desses.  (however, like I said, I'm not an athiest, so occasionally I mix the two)  Sometimes I have to reword the spell or redirect a ritual, but we would do that if we were religious too, changing one goddess to another to fit our personal associations.  I don't see anything wrong with that.  Practitioners of magick have been doing it forever.  Nothing is truly original.  It's all been done. 
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« Reply #41: September 29, 2008, 12:32:47 pm »

I too have a similar problem.  I am not an athiest, however I do keep worship and magick seperate.  For me, witchcraft is a methodology for accomplishing my goals.  In ways equivalent to physical labor, but mental.  I find that there are not many books on magick apart from deity.  I beleive the reason is that most people see the energies of the universe as one and the same as the energies of a divine source, and simply cannot see it from the perspective of being seperate. 

I guess my issue is giving the universe an anthropomorphic form as well as a human personality.

But anyways I agree, I suppose I just need to read whatever is useful and discard that which doesn't serve. It is hard though and sometimes one loses momentum and ends up thinking it is hopeless.

I too have a similar problem.  I am not an athiest,

I suppose I am only atheist in the sense that I do not view the universe as a He or She nor do I even view it as any form of consciousness that humanity generally recognizes. I am not sure how I see the infinite universe but in my mind, I do not see it as personified...yes, that's the word...personified.

Anywhoo I am digressing...do you have any suggestions on what books might fit the bill more closely? Or rather maybe particular authors?

What about this Oberon Zell I have recently heard about? He seems pretty good.

P.S: I just realized I sounded redundant....I think...my brain hurts right now so I am not thinking clearly. I need coffee.
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« Reply #42: September 29, 2008, 05:06:08 pm »

Myself I am searching for books on Witchcraft, not Wicca but I am encountering problems finding books that deal with the craft instead of the religion.

Paul Huson's Mastering Witchcraft is excellent.
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« Reply #43: September 29, 2008, 05:20:40 pm »

I guess my issue is giving the universe an anthropomorphic form as well as a human personality.

But anyways I agree, I suppose I just need to read whatever is useful and discard that which doesn't serve. It is hard though and sometimes one loses momentum and ends up thinking it is hopeless.

I suppose I am only atheist in the sense that I do not view the universe as a He or She nor do I even view it as any form of consciousness that humanity generally recognizes. I am not sure how I see the infinite universe but in my mind, I do not see it as personified...yes, that's the word...personified.

Anywhoo I am digressing...do you have any suggestions on what books might fit the bill more closely? Or rather maybe particular authors?

What about this Oberon Zell I have recently heard about? He seems pretty good.

P.S: I just realized I sounded redundant....I think...my brain hurts right now so I am not thinking clearly. I need coffee.
I consider myself to be a witch, monotheist? or panentheist?, whichever.  Religiously, if I had to limit my wording to one term, "agnostic" actually fits best.  The truth is, I have no idea if there is a god, but by faith, I choose to believe that there is.  I feel an outside influence in my life.  I feel something else move me.  I have no certain proof.  And as an analytical person, no proof may ever be enough.  I fear that worship to a god that in the end does not exist would be a disrespect to the one or ones that do, and thus I refrain from it.  I would hate for my child to think someone else was me, I can't imagine.  

This way of life has molded my view towards magick without divinity.  I disclaim that this is my own experience, it won't work for everyone.  The books I recommend have divinity in them, just remove and reword as you see fit.  I practice a lot of folk magick, sympathy, kitchen witchery, and all manner of low magicks, so this is what I offer as reccommendations.  I am very practical in the books I choose to own versus simply read and I keep these in my personal library:  --------(attn all haters: scold away)

*best basic instruction for the construction of a ritual:  EARTH, AIR, FIRE & WATER, by Scott Cunningham.  Chapter 19 specifically teaches you the 9 basic steps to constructing your own rituals, not that you can't use all the ones in the book, but why crawl when you can walk.

*best books on correspondences for spells:  Cunningham's CRYSTAL, GEM AND METAL MAGIC.  You can find most of your readily available stones and all thier representations in here.  It gives magickal properties and uses as well as a little folklore to help you get the big picture.  Sometimes superstition can play a large part in magick.  And Cunningham's ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MAGICAL HERBS.  Same as above, but with herbs instead of stones.  I don't see enough reference books about magick.  Most authors I read just try to push thier spells as a new form of prose, and some make no sense to me at all.  And you can find good colorwork in most 101 books, and timing in a good almanac.

*best mental excersizes:  WITCHCRAFT THEORY AND PRACTICE by Ly de Angeles.  Chapters 1 and 2 give you focused meditations and practices aimed at stretching your mental muscles.  I especially like the elemental excercizes.  You learn what elements are beyond their physical manifestation.  How to relate them to your situation, like why a fire spell as opposed to an air spell?  (I apologize for my own redundancy, I mentioned this previously as a reply to the OP)

*best collections:  Actually, almost anything by THE ELEMENT ENCYCLOPEDIA series is useful, they give a good overall view of bits and peices, exactly what they claim to be.  I am currently enthralled by SECRET SIGNS AND SYMBOLS.  

I hope this helps, I don't know what other people are looking for exactly, but they helped me.
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« Reply #44: September 29, 2008, 06:25:02 pm »

Paul Huson's Mastering Witchcraft is excellent.

Thanks Randall..in fact I have that book written down on a list of books I might buy. It does sound great.Cheesy

TigerLilly..thank you as well for the excellent suggestions..I shall research them right away. Smiley
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