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« Reply #60: June 14, 2008, 02:13:39 am »

However, at least at present, using the term "Black" is typically considered acceptable in most circles.

(As long as no one thinks you said it with anything remotely resembling contempt)

Sometimes I think that sensitivity to racism is a bit strong in the US, but I understand that there's good reasons for it.  On the other hand, sometimes I think that sensitivity to sexism isn't strong enough in the US.
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« Reply #61: June 14, 2008, 02:56:54 am »

I edited the text, hope this version is correct now:

Maybe you just went into that trap because philosophy works a bit different than anthropology. I have studied neither, I'm studying history and I've also been trained to distance myself from the perspective of the societies I'm researching and apply other terms to them than they do, especially as I'm coming from a country with a strong emphasis on the study of its own nazi past.

I'm trying to give an US example:

If I was to write an essay about the time before civil war I could write:

'Some southern Americans held black people as slaves and justified it with racial prejudices like the belief that black people were mentally inferior and mostly driven by lust.'

You noticed that I didn't use the terms of those slaveholders, but used my concepts to describe them, for example I used the terms 'black people' and 'racial prejudices'. Some of the slaveholders would have used the terms 'niggers' and 'racial differences' instead, but for scientific and ethical reasons I have to distance myself from the views of the society I'm researching in that case. That's why I'm applying universalistic terms like 'racial prejudices' which can refer to different cases (like the difference between scientific racism and the sin-theory) although the people (the slaveholders) I'm describing with these terms don't use it themselves, in their worldview the believed inferiority of black people wouldn't be a racial prejudice, but a truth.

You see in my subject distance is necessary and radical cultural relativism without regard to the specific case would cause a lot of problems as if I'd write 'Some southern Americans owned mentally inferior niggers' out of some inapropriate respect for the slave holding society and its terms. That doesn't make it unimportant how they justified slavery in their worldview, not every slave holding society is racist or has the same racist theories. I'd have to take their terms into account to understand this society, but for ethical reasons I'd have to distance myself from them.

That's wy in my subject I wasn't trained much in respecting the worldview of the societies I'm researching, but anthropology isn't history. So I'm a lay there and have to be careful before I apply scientific paradigma which can be used in a different subject like history.


Don't get me wrong, people, I'm not trying to justify what sile tried to do, I'm just trying to explain it. I don't know how they operate in philosophy though, but my guess would be that they use distance and universalistic terms a lot. It's maybe a matter of cultural, ethical and scientific context.
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« Reply #62: June 14, 2008, 08:10:41 am »

(As long as no one thinks you said it with anything remotely resembling contempt)

Sometimes I think that sensitivity to racism is a bit strong in the US, but I understand that there's good reasons for it.  On the other hand, sometimes I think that sensitivity to sexism isn't strong enough in the US.

Yeah, I see your point...like the way the word "nigger" is bleeped as a swear word, but folks use words like bitch left and right on primetime tv. 

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« Reply #63: June 15, 2008, 12:34:33 am »

Yeah, I see your point...like the way the word "nigger" is bleeped as a swear word, but folks use words like bitch left and right on primetime tv. 

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Ya know, I went like 2 years without watching any tv a few years back and then decided to get cable again. Was I ever surprised LOL. There were people swearing and girls topless, softcore porn on Friday nights.......... Shocked the shit right outta me LOL
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