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« Topic Start: June 24, 2008, 05:44:50 am »

I chose The Church of All Worlds for my religion because of the 9 worlds interwoven in a tree. I feel it best fits my situation and my way that I function. Three of these worlds would be a negative prison world or a war torn world, a desert where the life source lives, and a waterway. There's also the capability of flying. These are my most sentimental dreams and the first one that I mentioned was a nightmare though. So, I guess my question is, in these 9 worlds, is one of them a place for punishment? Or is it more of a trade off? And what exactly is a malevolent energy's purpose?

Now explaining this I wonder if I'm somehow or for some reason trying to access acacia. is that allowed?
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« Reply #1: June 24, 2008, 08:16:27 am »

I chose The Church of All Worlds for my religion because of the 9 worlds interwoven in a tree.

I'm not familiar enough with CAW's version of the nine worlds to even begin to answer. Sad
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« Reply #2: June 24, 2008, 08:54:39 am »

I'm not familiar enough with CAW's version of the nine worlds to even begin to answer. Sad


so the defining factor in what religion you are depends on your version of the 9 worlds? Well I went to three of them. and the water world is a repetitive one that has so many rivers and they're all connected but there are different rivers. there is a rapids, like a locks separating two rivers and you can go up or down it but it is really hard to go up cuz I avoid the locks. I did it once but aren't supposed to do it again. then an alien space ship took me to what I believe to be acacia and I was old and was never getting out unless I could accomplish something. that something has to be building a city out of a desert.
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« Reply #3: June 24, 2008, 09:25:09 am »

so the defining factor in what religion you are depends on your version of the 9 worlds?

I'm not sure there is a single defining factor, but if there is, this isn't it.  Not all religions have this concept of the 9 worlds, so it's kind of hard to use that as a defining factor all by itself.  Wink  (If I had to hazard a guess, in fact, I'd guess that many more don't have it than do, but since I'm unfamiliar with the entire concept I could easily be mistaken.)
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« Reply #4: June 24, 2008, 09:37:43 am »

so the defining factor in what religion you are depends on your version of the 9 worlds?

Nope. This is what is called 'cosmology' many times: how you think the world is put together. CAW uses a view that involves 9 different interlocking worlds. Other religions or paths or traditions do different things. (For example, I'm familiar with the concept of 9 worlds from both Norse and CAW sources, but I don't know lots of details about either of them, because this is totally not part of my own tradition/path.)

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Well I went to three of them. and the water world is a repetitive one that has so many rivers and they're all connected but there are different rivers. there is a rapids, like a locks separating two rivers and you can go up or down it but it is really hard to go up cuz I avoid the locks. I did it once but aren't supposed to do it again. then an alien space ship took me to what I believe to be acacia and I was old and was never getting out unless I could accomplish something. that something has to be building a city out of a desert.

Now, I *do* believe in the existence and function of astral space (and also of shared astral space): I'd tend to approach the experiences you describe from that point of view. (Which is to say: I believe you're having meaningful experiences: I just think there's more than 9 distinct spaces you can have them in!)

My question with all astral work is: what are your hopes for it? What do you hope to gain/learn/experience/understand that you won't have access to in other ways? For some people, it's a chance to work in a context and space that is not accessible for them in the physical world. In some cases, it's a chance to work with non-physical entities (be they deities, animals, or whatever else.) I've found that once I have an idea of what I'm doing or wanting, it's easier to both do the astral work *and* to make some sense out of the experiences, given a little time.
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« Reply #5: June 24, 2008, 09:57:31 am »

Nope. This is what is called 'cosmology' many times: how you think the world is put together. CAW uses a view that involves 9 different interlocking worlds. Other religions or paths or traditions do different things. (For example, I'm familiar with the concept of 9 worlds from both Norse and CAW sources, but I don't know lots of details about either of them, because this is totally not part of my own tradition/path.)

Now, I *do* believe in the existence and function of astral space (and also of shared astral space): I'd tend to approach the experiences you describe from that point of view. (Which is to say: I believe you're having meaningful experiences: I just think there's more than 9 distinct spaces you can have them in!)

My question with all astral work is: what are your hopes for it? What do you hope to gain/learn/experience/understand that you won't have access to in other ways? For some people, it's a chance to work in a context and space that is not accessible for them in the physical world. In some cases, it's a chance to work with non-physical entities (be they deities, animals, or whatever else.) I've found that once I have an idea of what I'm doing or wanting, it's easier to both do the astral work *and* to make some sense out of the experiences, given a little time.

I was trying to access acacia to find my own inner being and help others who went to the level above acacia. This is what I believe with what I have been taught and read. Hell or whatever being the worst place and the desert above atlantis being the highest. I needed to understand that I am a good person inspite of some things in my life that made me think otherwise.I was counselling myself.


 It's partially why I am polytheistic. I don't know what to do now that I have discovered all of this. I guess I could fly around the 9 other worlds, one being Unicorn world that I just remembered but that one has a mirrored world, like an obstacle. It's the malevolent protection spell that was put in my way by a christian counsellor. What can I do, the only thing I can think is that I need to worship on another sabbatt, the last time I worshiped being samhein in 1998.


I think I joined CAW online.
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« Reply #6: June 24, 2008, 11:30:36 am »

I chose The Church of All Worlds for my religion because of the 9 worlds interwoven in a tree. I feel it best fits my situation and my way that I function. Three of these worlds would be a negative prison world or a war torn world, a desert where the life source lives, and a waterway. There's also the capability of flying. These are my most sentimental dreams and the first one that I mentioned was a nightmare though. So, I guess my question is, in these 9 worlds, is one of them a place for punishment? Or is it more of a trade off? And what exactly is a malevolent energy's purpose?

Now explaining this I wonder if I'm somehow or for some reason trying to access acacia. is that allowed?

Well, I'm a Greek Recon, and my religion has absolutely nothing like what you've described. You're going to run into that. Not all pagan religions share common themes. So, while I might be able to tell you what some of these things mean in my religion, it's totally different from yours and you seem to be asking about if from another CAW member's perspective.
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« Reply #7: June 24, 2008, 11:36:01 am »

I chose The Church of All Worlds for my religion because of the 9 worlds interwoven in a tree. I feel it best fits my situation and my way that I function. Three of these worlds would be a negative prison world or a war torn world, a desert where the life source lives, and a waterway. There's also the capability of flying. These are my most sentimental dreams and the first one that I mentioned was a nightmare though. So, I guess my question is, in these 9 worlds, is one of them a place for punishment? Or is it more of a trade off? And what exactly is a malevolent energy's purpose?
Now explaining this I wonder if I'm somehow or for some reason trying to access acacia. is that allowed?

I am not that familiar with CAW, but it does seem similar to some forms of Kabbalah to me. The nine worlds connected forming the tree of all life and eveything being God.

With Kabbalah, it was my understanding that you must fully understand "world" #1 before moving on to say, "world" #5. You can't go from kindergarten straight into 5th grade.

Personally, I should think it's not so much as "not allowed", as it is that you will be in over your head. There is a difference between knowing what each world stands for and actually living that world, or incorporating that world into your very being. (I hope that makes sense)

As for the Devil, I didn't think that was part of CAW and it isn't part of Kabbalah either. Negative force does not equal "The Devil". There is an excellent book I would like to recommend about the origins of The Devil: The Birth of Satan, by T.J. Wray and Gregory Mobley in a nutshell, this book illustrates how Biblical concepts developed into a red guy with a pitchfork.

Since you seem to be struggling with the basic idea of negativity = evil, I personally wouldn't recommend trying the waters of other worlds just yet.  But that's just me.



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« Reply #8: June 25, 2008, 12:51:00 am »

I am not that familiar with CAW, but it does seem similar to some forms of Kabbalah to me. The nine worlds connected forming the tree of all life and eveything being God.

With Kabbalah, it was my understanding that you must fully understand "world" #1 before moving on to say, "world" #5. You can't go from kindergarten straight into 5th grade.

Personally, I should think it's not so much as "not allowed", as it is that you will be in over your head. There is a difference between knowing what each world stands for and actually living that world, or incorporating that world into your very being. (I hope that makes sense)

As for the Devil, I didn't think that was part of CAW and it isn't part of Kabbalah either. Negative force does not equal "The Devil". There is an excellent book I would like to recommend about the origins of The Devil: The Birth of Satan, by T.J. Wray and Gregory Mobley in a nutshell, this book illustrates how Biblical concepts developed into a red guy with a pitchfork.

Since you seem to be struggling with the basic idea of negativity = evil, I personally wouldn't recommend trying the waters of other worlds just yet.  But that's just me.





yeah, I did some meditating, negativity isn't so wrong. It's more like there is a protection spell gaurding acacia from someone who would use it unethically. I could go there. But right now, I would be in over my head.
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« Reply #9: June 25, 2008, 10:10:04 am »

yeah, I did some meditating, negativity isn't so wrong. It's more like there is a protection spell gaurding acacia from someone who would use it unethically. I could go there. But right now, I would be in over my head.

Glad to of been a bit of help. Meditating can sometimes be an eye opener. I get my best info that way.
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« Reply #10: June 25, 2008, 10:15:20 am »

I chose The Church of All Worlds for my religion because of the 9 worlds interwoven in a tree.




I am not familiar with the Church of All Worlds (other than by simple name recognition). So, I would not know how to even begin to give you an answer.

But, I can simply say that as a Pagan I personally do not hold any views of a devil or evil forces or hell. I believe in energy and the use of energy for either ethical or unethical means.


Not sure if that helps you, but thought I would weigh in.  Smiley



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« Reply #11: June 25, 2008, 10:36:26 am »

Now explaining this I wonder if I'm somehow or for some reason trying to access acacia. is that allowed?

Acacia hasn't signed in in about six months.  I do have some private contact if you'd like me to ask her to check in.  Life has eaten her a bit, but if you're trying to get in touch I can point her here for you.

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I'm sorry.  I think I'm a complete idiot this morning.  I should at least have read the first post properly, even if I was going to reply without reading the rest of the thread first.

My very fuzzy brain told me you were a member of her church and were looking for her.  I will go have a coffee before I read any more threads.

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« Reply #13: June 25, 2008, 10:42:21 am »

Acacia hasn't signed in in about six months.  I do have some private contact if you'd like me to ask her to check in.  Life has eaten her a bit, but if you're trying to get in touch I can point her here for you.
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« Reply #14: June 25, 2008, 10:50:20 am »

Um.., I thought the acacia to be accessed was one of the 9 worlds, not a TC member?

Yep, I realized that when I went on to read the next post - I had originally just hit reply from the first post, and hadn't even properly read that one.

I blame the funeral, the wake, and lack of caffeine.

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