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« Topic Start: July 09, 2008, 11:23:47 pm »

Have you ever experienced, or ever observed, a deity having any kind of negative influence on a person? Of course, one's answer might depend on what one means by "negative," and on whether one believes their gods are moral or amoral beings/forces, or whether such a thing would be more attributable to the mortal's behavior...just a sudden question that popped into my head not two minutes ago. Smiley
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« Reply #1: July 10, 2008, 11:22:49 am »

Have you ever experienced, or ever observed, a deity having any kind of negative influence on a person? Of course, one's answer might depend on what one means by "negative," and on whether one believes their gods are moral or amoral beings/forces, or whether such a thing would be more attributable to the mortal's behavior...just a sudden question that popped into my head not two minutes ago. Smiley


I'm not so sure it is the deity so much as it is a person's response to what they belive a deity wants from them. Sometimes people can use a deity as an excuse for their behavior. The old "the Devil made me do it" kind of thing. 

There have been lots of cases of people harming themselves and others because they believe God or the Devil told them to do so.  God supposedly told Abraham to kill his only son...then cruely said, nah...just testing.

So I'm no Abraham. I left Christianity, and I would leave any other God as well if they asked such a thing of me. That's a great thing about being Pagan, there are always more Gods to choose from.

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« Reply #2: July 10, 2008, 06:46:24 pm »

That's a great thing about being Pagan, there are always more Gods to choose from.

May I use that for my signature?  I just about fell off my chair laughing, literally.  Cheesy

I don't have a serious reply to the topic, as I haven't quite finished thinking it through.  But I'm working on it. 
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« Reply #3: July 11, 2008, 12:11:45 am »

Have you ever experienced, or ever observed, a deity having any kind of negative influence on a person? Of course, one's answer might depend on what one means by "negative," and on whether one believes their gods are moral or amoral beings/forces, or whether such a thing would be more attributable to the mortal's behavior...just a sudden question that popped into my head not two minutes ago. Smiley

Well, that depends on whether you're willing to classify the following entity as a "deity:" Murphy.  As in Murphy's Law.

Because I've interacted with an entity who was the sentient animation of Murphy's Law (I hesitate to call it a personification or anthropomorphization) and I referred to this entity through UPG as Murphy.  As you can imagine, Murphy's interaction with me, including my attempt to appease the entity, yielded significant negative consequences for the following week or so.
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« Reply #4: July 11, 2008, 02:37:34 am »

Have you ever experienced, or ever observed, a deity having any kind of negative influence on a person? Of course, one's answer might depend on what one means by "negative," and on whether one believes their gods are moral or amoral beings/forces, or whether such a thing would be more attributable to the mortal's behavior...just a sudden question that popped into my head not two minutes ago. Smiley
I've met someone on another board who refers to Loki as 'L*ki' because she fears he'd come when his name's called and something bad will happen.
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« Reply #5: July 11, 2008, 08:29:40 am »

I've met someone on another board who refers to Loki as 'L*ki' because she fears he'd come when his name's called and something bad will happen.

Marvel's Thor Comics must have kept Loki very busy over the last 50 years or so.  Wink
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« Reply #6: July 11, 2008, 09:30:20 am »

May I use that for my signature?  I just about fell off my chair laughing, literally.  Cheesy

Oh, please do!  Glad I could brighten your day!  Cheesy
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« Reply #7: July 12, 2008, 03:57:26 am »

Marvel's Thor Comics must have kept Loki very busy over the last 50 years or so.  Wink
So he can't be at two places at once? Mhmm...we could write a lot of comics as 'God traps' for all the bad ones around the world. We could even do some fundie Christians a favor, keep the devil busy so he can't hurt them. Wink
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« Reply #8: July 12, 2008, 08:26:40 am »

So he can't be at two places at once? Mhmm...we could write a lot of comics as 'God traps' for all the bad ones around the world. We could even do some fundie Christians a favor, keep the devil busy so he can't hurt them. Wink

Can Loki be in two places at once?  I don't know, but even if he can, with thousands of people reading latest issue of Thor every month (not to mention people reading older issues), if he pays attention every time his name is mentioned, just the mentions in Thor comics (which used to be pretty frequent) are going to take a lot of time as people read them and read/say his name.
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« Reply #9: July 12, 2008, 12:20:04 pm »

Have you ever experienced, or ever observed, a deity having any kind of negative influence on a person? Of course, one's answer might depend on what one means by "negative," and on whether one believes their gods are moral or amoral beings/forces, or whether such a thing would be more attributable to the mortal's behavior...just a sudden question that popped into my head not two minutes ago. Smiley

The experience that pops into my mind regards my husband and his dealings with Jehovah and Jehovah's Witnesses.  JW's have alot of not quite standard interpretations of the Bible that fit with what my husband had already decided about the Bible and its text.  However, in trying to follow Jehovah, he became a very unhealthy person, spiritually and emotionally.  He already had is issues, and those issues were magnified a hundred times when he was an active follower of Jehovah, and part of the JW organization.  While he was trying to fit the mold of what a man should be from the Bible, he wasn't a very likable person.  He was constantly fighting with himself, with his guilt of not being the perfect follower, and he became sharp and extremely judgemental.  It was only when he broke with Jehovah and the JW organization that he started to heal from all the trauma he had in his life.  It took my husband almost 8 years after leaving the JW organization to return to spiritual and psychological health as a confirmed Agnostic.  Oh, he's still got his issues, but who doesn't? Wink

I think most of the times I've seen a deity acting negatively on a person, is when a person is under pressure (societal, familial, internal) to follow a deity that they would not have chosen otherwise.  The cycle of guilt and depression in knowing that you aren't right for whatever worship you are doing can be very damaging both spiritually and psychologically.  This damage can take years of healing before the person becomes whole again. 

As far as truly negative deities are concerned, I have a feeling there are some, and they prey on the less confident people, those that either do not have the understanding to know what they are getting in to, or do not have the spiritual and psychological health to work with positive deities.  I also get the feeling that those truly negative beings often masquerade as other beings, to exploit those humans they do work with.  And since those humans are already damaged in some way, they often don't perceive the deception. 
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« Reply #10: July 13, 2008, 11:29:59 am »

Have you ever experienced, or ever observed, a deity having any kind of negative influence on a person?
Well, Dionysos seems to be tearing my life to shreds at the moment.  (It's sort of his thing.)  I don't suppose I'd call it "negative", though, as I've got faith that it'll come out for the best in the end.  But that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt like hell.

I think, in most cases, it's the person's interpretation of what their god wants that causes them to do bad things.  The JCI god gets blamed for a lot - from baby killings in the Old Testament to killing doctors today, but does that mean that's really what he intended?

There's been discussion of "negative" gods on this thread.  I'm not sure where I stand on that. Most gods considered evil usually just deal with the darker aspects of life, and coming to terms with those things is a good idea, as any of tM's followers on this board could confirm.  Loki does seem to be - I wouldn't say evil, but definately not on "our" side and not particularly trustworthy because of that.  But then again, he's not technically a god.

Which makes me wonder, in some mythologies, there are malevolent beings that seem to have all the powers of the gods - demons, giants, etc.  Really, the only thing that distinguishes a lot of these beings, other than genealogy, is their attitude towards the gods and humanity.  Maybe having humanity's best interest at heart is part of the definition of a "god"?  In other words, since it's humans making the definition, maybe Freya and Loki - f'ex - are the same sort of being and we labelled them differently because of the way they treat us?

Just thinking aloud...
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