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« Topic Start: July 11, 2008, 02:48:32 pm »

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PARENTS have been warned against using veterinary flea products to treat head lice.

Sorry, but isn't this a "duh" statement?  I find it rather scary that parents would need to be warned that using a flea shampoo meant for animals to treat their kids' head lice is a bad idea!
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« Reply #1: July 11, 2008, 02:50:07 pm »

Sorry, but isn't this a "duh" statement?  I find it rather scary that parents would need to be warned that using a flea shampoo meant for animals to treat their kids' head lice is a bad idea!

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« Reply #2: July 11, 2008, 02:53:31 pm »

http://tinyurl.com/6ccnzb

Children head lice warning

Sorry, but isn't this a "duh" statement?  I find it rather scary that parents would need to be warned that using a flea shampoo meant for animals to treat their kids' head lice is a bad idea!

I'll be honest...that's probably the first thing I'd reach for because the pet shampoos I occasionally have here will have a chemical for lice. Also, there are products that are intended for one species but that are widely used in others (F/ex Mane and Tail Shampoo...formulated for horses, found in the human shampoo aisle and used on domestic pets).

So, for me, I can see there needing to be a warning. People definitely need to check the bottles, but even then it can be inconclusive.
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« Reply #3: July 11, 2008, 02:57:39 pm »

Also, there are products that are intended for one species but that are widely used in others (F/ex Mane and Tail Shampoo...formulated for horses, found in the human shampoo aisle and used on domestic pets).

Wow...didn't realize that.  While I realize that animal testing is a no-no these days, I still assume that a product intended for an animal might not be as, shall we say, gentle, as a product intended for an adult, so in the case of flea and tick shampoos, I'd rather go for something I know is meant for my child's scalp. 
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« Reply #4: July 11, 2008, 03:04:20 pm »

Wow...didn't realize that.  While I realize that animal testing is a no-no these days, I still assume that a product intended for an animal might not be as, shall we say, gentle, as a product intended for an adult, so in the case of flea and tick shampoos, I'd rather go for something I know is meant for my child's scalp. 

That's actually a good rule of thumb. Generally PH balance is the first problem I think of. And, of course, there's the fact that some things can be used on dogs, but not cats. And some things can be used on both. And some products will work on humans. Others won't.

You start mixing species and you can have a real problem. It's still the first thing I'd think to use in a case like this, but I also know to check very carefully before using it.

(And don't get me started on drugs. LOL)
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« Reply #5: July 11, 2008, 06:27:29 pm »

Sorry, but isn't this a "duh" statement?  I find it rather scary that parents would need to be warned that using a flea shampoo meant for animals to treat their kids' head lice is a bad idea!

A good friend of mine is a vet and uses it for pretty much every lice epidemic with her kids. The lice are so resistant to most of the chemicals that are generally used on humans that frequently they just don't work. You don't have to go with stronger, just different, and slightly diluted pet treatment is just that.
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« Reply #6: July 11, 2008, 07:45:13 pm »

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Sorry, but isn't this a "duh" statement?  I find it rather scary that parents would need to be warned that using a flea shampoo meant for animals to treat their kids' head lice is a bad idea!

I agree with you on the "duh" statement.  Products for animals are not meant for use on people and products for people are not meant for use on animals. The reason being that testing is done for the species the product is meant to be used on, which determins the approval of its sale. "Approved for human use" items must undergo more intensive and expensive research before being approved.

The gulf war saw many many soldiers with everything from rashes to nerve conditions cause by use of flea killers intended for pet use only.  This stuff was not meant for human use.

http://www.dix.army.mil/PAO/post03/post041803/Fleacollars.htm

There was also a case of a pet groomer who suffered nerve damage from overexposure to flea and tick products, which lead to  regulations and guidelines for those continually exposed to fleas killers.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:fnykcbOllQkJ:www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/enforce/bulletins/petgroom.pdf+groomer+sick+from+flea+shampoo&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us

While it is true that some of the same ingredients are used for both human and animal products, the amounts or concentrations can vary greatly.  I once had some eye drops that had the same ingredients as the ones I gave my Schnauzer, but I sure as heck didn't swap hers for mine because they were cheaper.

Certain dog shampoos can be toxic for kittens because of their higher chemical concentrations. It is important not just to get the species right, but the age and overall health of the user as well.

Something like "Tail and Mane" shampoo clearly states it is safe for humans and horses.

Also, if you are not using a product as described on its Directions for Use label, you won't have much of a case against the company if you develope side-effects.

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« Reply #7: July 11, 2008, 07:52:40 pm »

I might be going against the grain here, but I agree with you on the "duh" statement.  Products for animals are not meant for use on people and products for people are not meant for use on animals. The reason being that testing is done for the species the product is meant to be used on, which determins the approval of its sale. "Approved for human use" items must undergo more intensive and expensive research before being approved.

That is a really broad statement that you need to limit. While this particular thread is talking about lice treatments, you can't be nearly as broad as you're being with product usage. Because it's absolutely not true in a lot of cases.

While many drugs are widely used in animals for many, many treatments, a vet will tell you that a great number of them are not actually approved for animal use in the US. However, the drugs are heavily prescribed for many reasons. That's the case with many drugs. So, while it might be safe to say this goes one way, it doesn't go the other...and even dividing the line that brightly from animals to humans can be dicey.
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« Reply #8: July 11, 2008, 08:04:13 pm »

That is a really broad statement that you need to limit. While this particular thread is talking about lice treatments, you can't be nearly as broad as you're being with product usage. Because it's absolutely not true in a lot of cases.

Sorry, I wasn't clear there, I was referring to flea and tick shampoos and products, not all products in general.
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« Reply #9: July 11, 2008, 08:47:32 pm »

Sorry, I wasn't clear there, I was referring to flea and tick shampoos and products, not all products in general.

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« Reply #10: June 17, 2009, 03:50:26 pm »

Wow...didn't realize that.  While I realize that animal testing is a no-no these days, I still assume that a product intended for an animal might not be as, shall we say, gentle, as a product intended for an adult, so in the case of flea and tick shampoos, I'd rather go for something I know is meant for my child's scalp. 


Actually animal shampoos are generally gentler than human shampoos that have harsher chemicals, or at least a higher concentration. That is why they say if you're going to use human shampoo on animals they say use Johnson's baby shampoo. Human shampoo dries out an animal's skin.
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