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« Topic Start: July 18, 2008, 02:10:04 pm »

Merry Meet! I have just found this intriguing forum and I think I will ask a question that I have always wondered about.

When I practice, I feel like I leave the God out of things. I really focus on the Goddess (and by the Goddess I mean a universal Goddess that represents all female deities) and I wonder if that is wrong. I just feel the connection to the Goddess more strongly than the connection to the God, but I don't know if it's okay to leave him out.

Any advice?

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« Reply #1: July 18, 2008, 02:23:06 pm »

I sometimes find myself doing this also. There's nothing wrong with being drawn to a paticular deity above all others, and traditionaly in Wicca the Goddess is more important than the God anyway. Don't worry about leaving the God out, though maybe by including him a bit more in your studies you will increase your understanding of the Goddess as well.

Just out of interest, do you celebrate the sabbats? If so, how do you do this with less attention given to the God, as most of them are to do with him?

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« Reply #2: July 18, 2008, 02:45:24 pm »

Merry Meet! I have just found this intriguing forum and I think I will ask a question that I have always wondered about.

When I practice, I feel like I leave the God out of things. I really focus on the Goddess (and by the Goddess I mean a universal Goddess that represents all female deities) and I wonder if that is wrong. I just feel the connection to the Goddess more strongly than the connection to the God, but I don't know if it's okay to leave him out.

Any advice?



There is nothing wrong with focusing on just the Goddess. 
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« Reply #3: July 18, 2008, 02:48:51 pm »

Merry Meet! I have just found this intriguing forum and I think I will ask a question that I have always wondered about.

When I practice, I feel like I leave the God out of things. I really focus on the Goddess (and by the Goddess I mean a universal Goddess that represents all female deities) and I wonder if that is wrong. I just feel the connection to the Goddess more strongly than the connection to the God, but I don't know if it's okay to leave him out.

Any advice?


From your description of the goddess, it sounds like your practice is a variety of (neo) Wicca?  If so, they seem to be really big on balance and polarity, so you might not be getting everything you could from the religion if you're leaving out the god entirely.

On the other hand, if you're not Wiccan-inspired, don't worry about it.  A lot of people are drawn mostly to goddesses. Either because feminine divinity is such a new and exciting concept for most of us, or because a goddess is the one who speaks to them.  Some find their practice expands to include other deities over the years, others never feel the need.  Nothing wrong with that.
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« Reply #4: July 18, 2008, 03:24:54 pm »

Merry Meet! I have just found this intriguing forum and I think I will ask a question that I have always wondered about.

When I practice, I feel like I leave the God out of things. I really focus on the Goddess (and by the Goddess I mean a universal Goddess that represents all female deities) and I wonder if that is wrong. I just feel the connection to the Goddess more strongly than the connection to the God, but I don't know if it's okay to leave him out.

Any advice?



Well, that depends on what you're doing and who (if anyone) you're practicing with.

If you're trying to do something Wiccish, then leaving the God out is really missing a lot of the religion.  If you're trying to do a reconstruction of an older faith, you're really missing the boat.  If you're just doing what feels right, ask yourself and the gods if what you're doing is acceptable.

Given that you feel the need to post about it, I'll turn the question back at you - do you feel what you're doing is working?  Does it feel right?  Or do you feel like you're missing something?
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« Reply #5: July 18, 2008, 04:36:38 pm »

Merry Meet! I have just found this intriguing forum and I think I will ask a question that I have always wondered about.

When I practice, I feel like I leave the God out of things. I really focus on the Goddess (and by the Goddess I mean a universal Goddess that represents all female deities) and I wonder if that is wrong. I just feel the connection to the Goddess more strongly than the connection to the God, but I don't know if it's okay to leave him out.

Any advice?

Well, it depends on what it is you are practicing. Wicca for instance has a focus upon polarity so leaving the God out might mean that you are missing the point. If you wanted though, you could look into some of the Dianic traditions of Wicca.
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« Reply #6: July 19, 2008, 07:02:25 pm »


I'm not exactly sure what to call my practice. I do a lot of meditation and I am a solitary practitioner. 

I generally use my time in the circle to focus on the feminine aspects of my being and draw strength from that so, for example, I can see how to solve a problem or will myself initiative or empower myself, etc.

I involve the God sometimes when I am asking for something that involves two halves - for example when I was asking to become pregnant (which worked by the way - almost 31 weeks with #1 Smiley). I also involve the God when I am doing something for a sabbat, especially like Beltaine, Lughnasssad(sp) or Yule, for example. But for daily rituals that are just about personal enrichment I tend to focus on the Goddess.

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I really found it helpful that you turned the question around. It's difficult to answer because it is always different. For example, sometimes just connecting with the Goddess feels totally right, but then there is always the occasion when I don't feel as satisfied after I have closed the circle. Those times where I didn't achieve the satisfaction I was anticipating were often times where I was dealing with something that should have rightly included the God. I can see now that I need to think about my plan beforehand to make sure that I am being thorough. Usually I just wing it - I'm a pretty impulsive person. But maybe it would be better if I thought about my goal and considered who to work with before I start.

Thank you everyone Cheesy I'm so glad I found this forum! It's so helpful!

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« Reply #7: July 28, 2008, 12:02:35 am »


When I practice, I feel like I leave the God out of things. I really focus on the Goddess (and by the Goddess I mean a universal Goddess that represents all female deities) and I wonder if that is wrong. I just feel the connection to the Goddess more strongly than the connection to the God, but I don't know if it's okay to leave him out.


I think that's a pretty common attitude, especially among people who were raised within a monotheist religion like Christianity. For me at least, one of the major attractions of Paganism was the acknowledgment of the feminine side of Divinity, and at first I ignored male gods entirely. I think it was a bit a feminist rebellion on my part. Since then I've come to accept the masculine aspect of Divinity as necessary for balance, but I think I still favor goddesses a bit. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If you feel more connected with the Goddess, it makes sense you would focus on Her more. Maybe over time you'll cultivate a stronger connection with God, but it's probably not something you should force yourself into. Also, one could argue that both the God and the Goddess are aspects of the same universal Spirit, so focusing on one more than the other doesn't mean the other is being left out at all.
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« Reply #8: July 28, 2008, 07:53:07 am »

Since then I've come to accept the masculine aspect of Divinity as necessary for balance, but I think I still favor goddesses a bit.

I believe goddesses in mythologies represent the whole spectrum of things, and so do gods. So the starter of the thread doesn't miss anything by worshiping only either of the groups. I have never understood the "gods and goddesses balance each other" thing. How does Khonsu (Moon god) balance Luna (Moon goddess)?
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« Reply #9: July 28, 2008, 09:26:22 am »

I believe goddesses in mythologies represent the whole spectrum of things, and so do gods. So the starter of the thread doesn't miss anything by worshiping only either of the groups. I have never understood the "gods and goddesses balance each other" thing. How does Khonsu (Moon god) balance Luna (Moon goddess)?



Well, in this context, the fact that both of these are deities of the moon is irrelevant. If you're going to assign gender to a deity, to me it makes the most sense to acknowledge both genders, even if you favor one over the other for personal reasons. The two deities you've mentioned come from completely different pantheons but for comparison strictly in terms of being masculine or feminine, it's kind of difficult to have one without the other. You can focus on one, no doubt, but if you factor gender into divinity it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to think that they exist entirely independent from one another. They're complementary.


Of course, I could see where a god could "represent the whole spectrum of things" if one is using the word 'god' without gender, as in one overall deity that encompasses both masculine and feminine. But once you add gender to the mix, I think it only makes sense to acknowledge both sides even if you focus mainly on one. Part of the reason I think it's important is that because so many of the people that are being drawn to Pagan religions these days and are coming from monotheistic backgrounds and are people who were so put off by the lack of a feminine aspect in divinity that once they switch to a new belief system they focus entirely on goddesses and ignore gods because they're trying to distance themselves from their prior religion. But in the end, that creates the same imbalance that they were initially rejecting. And to me that seems like a loss.
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« Reply #10: July 28, 2008, 07:20:52 pm »

I believe goddesses in mythologies represent the whole spectrum of things, and so do gods. So the starter of the thread doesn't miss anything by worshiping only either of the groups. I have never understood the "gods and goddesses balance each other" thing. How does Khonsu (Moon god) balance Luna (Moon goddess)?

I agree. Of course, I'm coming from a standpoint where gender-by-itself means next to nothing, so that could be the reason for my opinion on this. I think there are an infinite number of polarities (if you're looking to work with polarities) that have nothing to do with gender. Besides, goddesses run the gamut from "feminine" to "masculine" all by themselves, as do gods.
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« Reply #11: July 29, 2008, 10:03:17 am »

Well, it depends on what it is you are practicing. Wicca for instance has a focus upon polarity so leaving the God out might mean that you are missing the point. If you wanted though, you could look into some of the Dianic traditions of Wicca.

I am so glad I read through posts.  Otherwise I would have simply been repeating exactly what you said.  Almost word for word.  Lol. 

Another thing though, if you aren't interested in Wicca, there are other goddess centered religions out there.  Or you could just develop your own faith as quite a few in here (including myself) have done.

Who you do and don't worship doesn't exactly matter in paganism overall.  If you are in a specifc pagan religion (Wicca, Asatru, etc.) then it may or may not matter depending on the requirements of the religion.
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« Reply #12: August 07, 2008, 11:03:56 pm »

Of course, I could see where a god could "represent the whole spectrum of things" if one is using the word 'god' without gender, as in one overall deity that encompasses both masculine and feminine. But once you add gender to the mix, I think it only makes sense to acknowledge both sides even if you focus mainly on one.
Hmm, I don't really agree. What if you're talking about a god or goddess that appears in many different forms, and in some forms changes gender? The example that comes to my mind is the god Loki, as he's depicted strongly as a male god and in some of the mythos has a wife, yet it was as a mare that he seduced the frost giant's steed and gave birth to Slephnir.

Perhaps I'm thinking of it differently than you, however. I do understand where you're coming from (I think, heh), I just thought I'd add my own opinions to the mix.
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