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« Topic Start: July 22, 2008, 08:51:01 pm »

I am interested to know some of your thoughts on the book "Hidden Messages in Water", and it's following series of books by Masaru Emoto.

What caught my eye immediately were the monks that prayed over the polluted water and it became clean.  Do you think this is a huge hoax or does he really have something here? 

My first impression was that this may be a piece scientific proof that magick exists in a tangible form that you can measure.  If we can change the tiniest molecule of water through thought, and all human bodies and the entire earth is at least 70% water, then we can change ourselves and our planet through magick and/or prayer.  I already believe this to be true, but what about the point of view of a nonbeliever in magick (or prayer for that matter), what do you think?  And has this book affected your beliefs in any way?
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« Reply #1: July 22, 2008, 10:54:23 pm »

I am interested to know some of your thoughts on the book "Hidden Messages in Water", and it's following series of books by Masaru Emoto.

I've never heard of the book or its author. Sorry.

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It could be either. Telling hoax from true miracle is often hard.  But the more extreme the claim, the better the evidence supporting it needs to be -- at least for me.
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« Reply #2: July 23, 2008, 02:41:23 am »

I am interested to know some of your thoughts on the book "Hidden Messages in Water", and it's following series of books by Masaru Emoto.

What caught my eye immediately were the monks that prayed over the polluted water and it became clean.  Do you think this is a huge hoax or does he really have something here? 

My first impression was that this may be a piece scientific proof that magick exists in a tangible form that you can measure.  If we can change the tiniest molecule of water through thought, and all human bodies and the entire earth is at least 70% water, then we can change ourselves and our planet through magick and/or prayer.  I already believe this to be true, but what about the point of view of a nonbeliever in magick (or prayer for that matter), what do you think?  And has this book affected your beliefs in any way?

I've heard of it referenced in some places.  As for the validity of the claims, who knows?  Although, if you really want to know if it works, you could try it yourself at home.  I wouldn't suggest polluted water, but water with salt in it would probably do fine as a test subject.
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« Reply #3: July 23, 2008, 01:41:50 pm »

I am interested to know some of your thoughts on the book "Hidden Messages in Water", and it's following series of books by Masaru Emoto.

What caught my eye immediately were the monks that prayed over the polluted water and it became clean.  Do you think this is a huge hoax or does he really have something here? 

Well, did it even happen?  Is it well documented, etc?  I mean, if they prayed a lake, or whatever, clear, why aren't those lazy bastards working on the rest of our planet? Smiley
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« Reply #4: July 23, 2008, 02:34:00 pm »

I am interested to know some of your thoughts on the book "Hidden Messages in Water", and it's following series of books by Masaru Emoto.

What caught my eye immediately were the monks that prayed over the polluted water and it became clean.  Do you think this is a huge hoax or does he really have something here? 

My first impression was that this may be a piece scientific proof that magick exists in a tangible form that you can measure.  If we can change the tiniest molecule of water through thought, and all human bodies and the entire earth is at least 70% water, then we can change ourselves and our planet through magick and/or prayer.  I already believe this to be true, but what about the point of view of a nonbeliever in magick (or prayer for that matter), what do you think?  And has this book affected your beliefs in any way?

A quick Google on the title shows that this is a title/series that is associated with the "What the Bleep Do We Know" people. Along with hanging out here I am a long time lurker on Snopes' message board. They have pretty thoroughly discredited the science and methidology behind the movie. So I would personally take the info in the books with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #5: July 23, 2008, 10:02:56 pm »

I am interested to know some of your thoughts on the book "Hidden Messages in Water", and it's following series of books by Masaru Emoto.

What caught my eye immediately were the monks that prayed over the polluted water and it became clean.  Do you think this is a huge hoax or does he really have something here? 

My first impression was that this may be a piece scientific proof that magick exists in a tangible form that you can measure.  If we can change the tiniest molecule of water through thought, and all human bodies and the entire earth is at least 70% water, then we can change ourselves and our planet through magick and/or prayer.  I already believe this to be true, but what about the point of view of a nonbeliever in magick (or prayer for that matter), what do you think?  And has this book affected your beliefs in any way?


I once wrote a experiential essay on the effect of prayer for a uni class and included Emoto's research on water. However, my lecturer didn't seem to think the work was credible - he commented that water when frozen always forms unique and often beautiful crystals, just like snowflakes.
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« Reply #6: July 23, 2008, 10:39:14 pm »



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« Reply #7: July 24, 2008, 02:20:36 am »

A quick Google on the title shows that this is a title/series that is associated with the "What the Bleep Do We Know" people. Along with hanging out here I am a long time lurker on Snopes' message board. They have pretty thoroughly discredited the science and methidology behind the movie. So I would personally take the info in the books with a grain of salt.


Yeah, that's where I heard of it.  The problem is, that while some of the things they give would be of benefit to an individual on a spiritual level, the science is just too shoddy.  They are taking premises from a science that barely has it's feet wet, and trying to twist them too far to make their own ideas seem more credible.

I have read up a little on quantum theory and mechanics, and what I have read doesn't seem to support any of what was stated as fact in the book (I read the book "What the Bleep", didn't watch the movie).  What little the quantum physicists have found just isn't enough to draw any real conclusions from in any directions, especially not the ones they are trying to pass off.
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« Reply #8: July 24, 2008, 07:31:10 am »


Yeah, that's where I heard of it.  The problem is, that while some of the things they give would be of benefit to an individual on a spiritual level, the science is just too shoddy.  They are taking premises from a science that barely has it's feet wet, and trying to twist them too far to make their own ideas seem more credible.

I have read up a little on quantum theory and mechanics, and what I have read doesn't seem to support any of what was stated as fact in the book (I read the book "What the Bleep", didn't watch the movie).  What little the quantum physicists have found just isn't enough to draw any real conclusions from in any directions, especially not the ones they are trying to pass off.

I watched the movie and it seemed as though many of the experts they used were of a spiritual or religious background rather than scientific. The ideas are certainly interesting - just how much of an impact does intent have on our physical bodies and environment? - but I'm not sure that we can quantify that scientifically. In a satisfactory manner in any case  Tongue

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« Reply #9: July 25, 2008, 11:10:58 am »

I watched the movie and it seemed as though many of the experts they used were of a spiritual or religious background rather than scientific. The ideas are certainly interesting - just how much of an impact does intent have on our physical bodies and environment? - but I'm not sure that we can quantify that scientifically. In a satisfactory manner in any case  Tongue

Thanks, thought it was about time I stopped lurking  Cheesy


At least one of the scientists they quoted in the movie has come out to say they misquoted and misrepresented him.  Another of their experts is actually a "channeled being".  I have to say I was not impressed.
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« Reply #10: July 25, 2008, 11:39:36 am »

At least one of the scientists they quoted in the movie has come out to say they misquoted and misrepresented him. 

I have heard that too. Just one of the reasons I take that whole series with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #11: July 26, 2008, 01:14:48 am »

At least one of the scientists they quoted in the movie has come out to say they misquoted and misrepresented him.  Another of their experts is actually a "channeled being".  I have to say I was not impressed.

Yeah, I was completely confused for a while when I was reading the book.  They referred to the channeled being and the medium interchangeably.  It took me a while to figure out who was who, and what in the world was going on.

That was another sore point in the book with me, I don't put much stock in mediums or channeling (or in automatic writing for that matter).
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« Reply #12: August 29, 2008, 07:05:20 am »

At least one of the scientists they quoted in the movie has come out to say they misquoted and misrepresented him.

You wouldn't happen to be referring to professor Amit Goswami, by any chance? He's a friend of my uncle.
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