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« Reply #15: July 24, 2008, 09:44:47 pm »

That's true - but there's also a LOT of bullshit floating about on how to "prevent pregnancy".  My personal favorite - jumping up and down after sex shakes out the sperm.

 Shocked  That would be something I would lump in with "stupid risks."  I could be very crass about the nature of sperm and what anyone with half a brain could find out about said nature by doing a few non-insertion related pleasure acts before doing the horizontal tango, but I'll leave that to the dirtiness or cleanliness of each individual Cauldronite's imagination.

"Shakes out the sperm" indeed.  If I didn't know for sure that there are poor girls out there who believe this shit, I'd be laughing.
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« Reply #16: July 24, 2008, 10:10:02 pm »

It's my understanding that it is, actually, when used correctly.  Figures from the FDA that give a 0.1% failure rate (again, for perfect use; 5% for typical use):
http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html

Those are from 1997, so they're a few years old, so I suppose it's possible contradicting info has come up in the meantime and I just haven't heard about it.  99.9% was always the number I heard, though--not from the commercials, but from sources like the sex ed classes that are being praised in this thread.  Even if it isn't correct, I don't think believing the 99.9% number is due to "a twisted view of it from commercials".

That's pretty close to the numbers I've always seen for perfect use.  The typical failure rate comes because people don't take the pill correctly (every day, at the same time every day), or they unknowingly take other medication that interacts with the bc pills.

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« Reply #17: July 25, 2008, 02:57:32 am »

That's pretty close to the numbers I've always seen for perfect use.  The typical failure rate comes because people don't take the pill correctly (every day, at the same time every day), or they unknowingly take other medication that interacts with the bc pills.

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Then there are those few for whom it actually acts as a fertility drug.  I've heard, can't remember where so I'm not sure how reliable this is, that the same drug is used to increase fertility in some women.  The difference is the dosing, I believe, and possibly the the "recipe".

I know that for me, I actually became more fertile.  (Since being off the pill I haven't had another child, however while on the pill, I became pregnant three times, once for each child).  I think it really depends more on how the woman's own hormones/body interact with the drugs given, which, honestly is true with almost any drug used for any person, for any purpose.

Third time was the charm for me, the doc asked me if I wanted it after my "baby" (she's almost three now), and I told him no, and explained my reasoning.  Since then, no baby belly for me, and we have used no other methods of prevention.
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« Reply #18: July 25, 2008, 07:41:45 am »

Then there are those few for whom it actually acts as a fertility drug.  I've heard, can't remember where so I'm not sure how reliable this is, that the same drug is used to increase fertility in some women.  The difference is the dosing, I believe, and possibly the the "recipe".

Well, yes, you'll always have variation from individual to individual, and that's definitely something to be aware of when making choices about birth control.  My intent was to address the failure rate of the Pill on a broader basis, though.
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« Reply #19: July 25, 2008, 08:35:34 am »

Then there are those few for whom it actually acts as a fertility drug.  I've heard, can't remember where so I'm not sure how reliable this is, that the same drug is used to increase fertility in some women.  The difference is the dosing, I believe, and possibly the the "recipe".

Since the "drug" is actually a synthetic hormone combination I can believe that correcting an estrogen deficiency would help correct fertility problems...but that isn't the same thing as birth control pills.  BC pills are typically a combination of estrogen/progesterone or progesterone only.

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« Reply #20: July 25, 2008, 03:09:38 pm »


Used, perfectly, with the shitty sex ed we have now your lucky to get that 5%.
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« Reply #21: July 25, 2008, 03:19:00 pm »

Used, perfectly, with the shitty sex ed we have now your lucky to get that 5%.

Well, yes, but that doesn't make the 99.9% number a twisted inaccuracy obtained from watching too many commercials, was my point.
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« Reply #22: July 25, 2008, 03:47:16 pm »

Used, perfectly, with the shitty sex ed we have now your lucky to get that 5%.

With the highschool sex ed we have, it is more likely that women don't take birth control pills at all, so I don't think that will affect the failure rate.  Also, most women don't start taking the pill until they are college aged, and are more likely to read the accompanying information than teenaged girls.  Plus, places like Planned Parenthood seem to do a pretty good job of education.

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« Reply #23: July 25, 2008, 03:53:40 pm »

It's my understanding that it is, actually, when used correctly.  Figures from the FDA that give a 0.1% failure rate (again, for perfect use; 5% for typical use):
http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html

Yeah, these are the numbers I've heard as well. 

The pill is very effective against pregnancy when used right, but there are a lot kids out there that think it will also protect you just as well from AIDS or other STDs.  That's the kind of thing that happens when your best source of information is your equally ignorant peer group.

It's all kinds of messed up, and one decent sex ed class could fix it.
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