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Question: Do you put more faith in religious or scientific explainations as to how the universe works?
I believe in religious/spritiual explanations as to how the universe works. - 0 (0%)
I have more stock in the universe operating in scientific terms. - 10 (43.5%)
I'm somewhere in the middle. - 6 (26.1%)
I haven't thought of it much. - 1 (4.3%)
Other. - 6 (26.1%)
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« Topic Start: July 26, 2008, 10:43:01 am »

(This topic was partly inspired by this and this thread.)

There are those who put more faith in religion and/or magic than in science.  You could say that those who believe in faith healing, creationism, magick/prayer solves anything and everything, and so on.  And of course there are those who are skeptical toward these and prefers scientific understanding.

I thought it would be interesting to see the opinions of other Cauldronites on this topic.
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« Reply #1: July 26, 2008, 10:52:53 am »

There are those who put more faith in religion and/or magic than in science.  You could say that those who believe in faith healing, creationism, magick/prayer solves anything and everything, and so on.  And of course there are those who are skeptical toward these and prefers scientific understanding.

I PREFER scientific understanding, but I do put faith in religion/magic as well.  If something can't be explained scientifically, I don't simply discount it out of hand, but I also know better than to trust it whole-heartedly.  I have a skeptic's eye when approaching spiritual beliefs, and while I certainly believe in a lot of supernatural things, I'd much sooner recommend a doctor than a faith healer (or energy healer, or whatever other term would fit the practice within another religious paradigm), and I would NEVER allow the advice of a "spiritual healer" to outweigh the advice of a licensed physician.  That's a nice, quick way to kill yourself.
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« Reply #2: July 26, 2008, 11:01:00 am »

There are those who put more faith in religion and/or magic than in science.  You could say that those who believe in faith healing, creationism, magick/prayer solves anything and everything, and so on.  And of course there are those who are skeptical toward these and prefers scientific understanding.

I thought it would be interesting to see the opinions of other Cauldronites on this topic.
I chose other. 

I believe science and religion answer different questions.  I don't have more faith in one than the other, nor am I in the middle as I rely wholly on science in it's realm, and religion in it's.
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« Reply #3: July 26, 2008, 11:02:04 am »

I PREFER scientific understanding, but I do put faith in religion/magic as well.  If something can't be explained scientifically, I don't simply discount it out of hand, but I also know better than to trust it whole-heartedly.  I have a skeptic's eye when approaching spiritual beliefs, and while I certainly believe in a lot of supernatural things, I'd much sooner recommend a doctor than a faith healer (or energy healer, or whatever other term would fit the practice within another religious paradigm), and I would NEVER allow the advice of a "spiritual healer" to outweigh the advice of a licensed physician.  That's a nice, quick way to kill yourself.

This is close to my views on the topic.
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« Reply #4: July 26, 2008, 12:25:20 pm »

I chose other. 

I believe science and religion answer different questions.  I don't have more faith in one than the other, nor am I in the middle as I rely wholly on science in it's realm, and religion in it's.

I'm with Thorn on this one.

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« Reply #5: July 26, 2008, 12:55:48 pm »


I chose other, b/c I believe that Science can answer most questions in this universe. However there is a small piece that Science can't answer (like 1%) that Religion can. Jumping off the faith healer thing, if modern medicine has basically done all it can and you think a faith healer can help, fine go to one (though if your taking any meds to keep you alive, keep taking them). But I don't think thinking of Science and Religion as opposing forces achieves anything.
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« Reply #6: July 26, 2008, 01:35:09 pm »

I chose other. 

I believe science and religion answer different questions.  I don't have more faith in one than the other, nor am I in the middle as I rely wholly on science in it's realm, and religion in it's.

I put somewhere in the middle, but now that I've read what Thorn has said here and I've found myself nodding my head, I wish I had of put other.
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« Reply #7: July 26, 2008, 02:30:43 pm »

I put somewhere in the middle, but now that I've read what Thorn has said here and I've found myself nodding my head, I wish I had of put other.

Honestly, I'd say that response still puts you somewhere in the middle.  You trust religion and science for different things, but neither one makes up the entirety of your belief...seems pretty middle-of-the-road to me Grin
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« Reply #8: July 26, 2008, 02:32:10 pm »

I chose other. 

I believe science and religion answer different questions.  I don't have more faith in one than the other, nor am I in the middle as I rely wholly on science in it's realm, and religion in it's.

I would add to this that I consider the idea that they are opposed -- that they can be opposed -- to be pernicious.
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« Reply #9: July 26, 2008, 03:27:32 pm »

(This topic was partly inspired by this and this thread.)

There are those who put more faith in religion and/or magic than in science.  You could say that those who believe in faith healing, creationism, magick/prayer solves anything and everything, and so on.  And of course there are those who are skeptical toward these and prefers scientific understanding.

I thought it would be interesting to see the opinions of other Cauldronites on this topic.

I throw my line in with science, at least as to how the universe works.  I think that eventually one of two things will happen, either science will have all of the mysteries of the universe explained, or humans will no longer exist.  Until then, I will believe the most valid explanation of things that I can find. 

Basically, I will have my faith, until science can prove the truth of the situation.
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« Reply #10: July 26, 2008, 05:03:51 pm »

I chose other. 

I believe science and religion answer different questions.  I don't have more faith in one than the other, nor am I in the middle as I rely wholly on science in it's realm, and religion in it's.

Ditto, only I chose science, just because when it comes to understanding the universe, I thought we were talking about, like, physics.

But yeah, different questions, different realms.
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« Reply #11: July 26, 2008, 05:41:42 pm »

I believe science and religion answer different questions.  I don't have more faith in one than the other, nor am I in the middle as I rely wholly on science in it's realm, and religion in it's.

I agree with this basic statement. However, i voted for science because the question was on how the universe works which is in the science realm. Had the question more "why the universe is", it would have been in the religion realm.
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« Reply #12: July 26, 2008, 08:20:02 pm »

I agree with this basic statement. However, i voted for science because the question was on how the universe works which is in the science realm. Had the question more "why the universe is", it would have been in the religion realm.


I was thinking along the same lines. Even some of what we commonly describe as 'paranormal' phenomena, will be ultimately explained by science.

I read in some book years ago, that a couple of scientists went to see President Thomas Jefferson with a meteorite in hand that had been seen crashing to the ground in Massachusetts. The two men brought their space rock into the Oval Office, and told their story to the President, who was one of the most educated men of his day.

President Jefferson ridiculed the men, because every scientifically literate person of the late 18th century knew that meteorites couldn't come from outer space.

The President supposedly said, "I would sooner believe that Yankees would lie, than that rocks would fall from the sky!"...and told them to get out of his office.

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« Reply #13: July 26, 2008, 09:18:00 pm »


Tiny nit-pick, but the Oval Office wasn't around in Jefferson's time.  As for the rest of the story, I have no clue.
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« Reply #14: July 26, 2008, 09:31:37 pm »

Tiny nit-pick, but the Oval Office wasn't around in Jefferson's time.  As for the rest of the story, I have no clue.


I stand corrected. The story was from one of Robert Zubrin's books, but the error was undoubtedly mine. I just assumed that the Oval Office was in the White House from the time it was built.

I had no idea that it wasn't part of the original White House.

Did you see John Adams? They built it with slave labor!
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