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« Reply #15: August 02, 2008, 02:47:01 am »

The Wikipedia article isn't too bad. At least the first few paragraphs aren't. I did not read the entire thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

From what I read (I will go back and read the whole thing later), but it seems to me as though it is something I would absolutely be against.  I just get bad mental images of certain types of scifi films, which portray the selective breeding and genetic tampering aspects of it.

If they could find a way to use it that would be able to get rid of the "evils" in our society (by this I mean any sort of genetic push towards violence, etc.), and certain genetic defects (by this I mean diseases, mental disorders, things that harm the person who displays the "faulty gene";  I do not mean getting rid of races, or messing with making superhumans and the like), then I would be all for it.  But given what they are finding in the lines of how genes work I doubt they would ever be able to do anything like that without crossing various moral boundaries (at least things I consider morally unacceptable).

Also, it would be all too easy to want to try to create the perfect human, only for the shit to hit the fan.  (Again, certain types of scifi movie come to mind.)

But anyway in reference to me being for this... no.  There's just no way they would be able to do the good, without opening the door for the bad. 
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« Reply #16: August 02, 2008, 02:48:39 am »

In favour of eugenics? Smiley

Psst, I was joking about the gene thing.  What little I do know of genetics, lends to that not even being realistic.  Just basically wishful thinking on my part.
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« Reply #17: August 02, 2008, 08:58:14 am »

If they could find a way to use it that would be able to get rid of the "evils" in our society (by this I mean any sort of genetic push towards violence, etc.), and certain genetic defects (by this I mean diseases, mental disorders, things that harm the person who displays the "faulty gene";  I do not mean getting rid of races, or messing with making superhumans and the like), then I would be all for it.

The only way I could really support something like this is if it was used solely to treat disease-based genes (Autism, perhaps a predisposition to cancer, etc...).  Honestly, getting rid of an individual's genetic push toward violence sounds dangerously evil in and of itself.  Violent behavior may not be socially acceptable, but inclinations toward violence are part of the human animal, and breeding these inclinations out would just create a willing race of either slaves or sheep (depending on how heavily reinforced the genetic urge to obey was).
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« Reply #18: August 02, 2008, 09:24:46 am »

The following statement happens to be my blonde roots showing:  What in the world is eugenics?

I'm guessing from context that it has something to do with genetic "pruning" or something along those lines.

That's more or less it - pretty much trying to breed out a better (species of choice).  It's kinda ironic that you mention 'blonde roots,' given the last lot that really wanted to put eugenics into practice.
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« Reply #19: August 03, 2008, 01:36:13 am »

The only way I could really support something like this is if it was used solely to treat disease-based genes (Autism, perhaps a predisposition to cancer, etc...).  Honestly, getting rid of an individual's genetic push toward violence sounds dangerously evil in and of itself.  Violent behavior may not be socially acceptable, but inclinations toward violence are part of the human animal, and breeding these inclinations out would just create a willing race of either slaves or sheep (depending on how heavily reinforced the genetic urge to obey was).

That's a good point.  Besides that though I read somewhere something that would keep us from being able to weed any one thing out just by doing away with a few genes.  Here goes and remember that this is completely IIRC.

Basically there are two factors to this. 

Each gene has partial control over several "functions", often these are unrelated.  A gene could have partial control over whether you were blonde, and whether you were predisposed for cancer, for example (not an actual case, just an example of a possible combination). 

The second part of this is that it takes several genes to actually make up these functions.  So, the gene I mentioned above would have to combine with several other genes in order to make you blonde.  And then with even more to make you predisposed toward cancer.

Whoever explained it to me, did a much better job of it than I just did.  But I think (or rather hope), that I got the basic point across.  So if we did manage to erase certain "bad" things.  We might actually erase some good things along with them.  And if it takes a very specific set of genes to do certain things, then erasing even one of those to get rid of the bad things associated with it, could completely erase that whole genetic trait entirely.

They have a long ways to go before they should really be doing any more than studying the structures.  And I hope they actually finish figuring things out long before they start trying to "play god".
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« Reply #20: August 07, 2008, 02:02:03 pm »

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.  This is a tragedy. Cry
Here is the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25882063/
I heard about this. Really hard to believe that someone would be able to do that. In a church too! Blessings to their congregation.
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