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« Reply #45: August 06, 2008, 10:14:36 pm »

China's human rights record is sort of the antithesis to what one would expect from an Olympic host nation. Let's just say it runs counter to what the Olympics originally and, in a lot of ways still do stand for.

It's rather like Libya taking over the Council for Human Rights at the UN.

So how does not watching them or boycotting the sponsors make a difference or help anyone?
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« Reply #46: August 06, 2008, 10:15:59 pm »

So how does not watching them or boycotting the sponsors make a difference or help anyone?

Sends a message. Affects the bottom line in some cases, though in this one, I'm not sure the IOC gives enough of a shit for it to matter.
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« Reply #47: August 06, 2008, 10:23:30 pm »

Sends a message. Affects the bottom line in some cases, though in this one, I'm not sure the IOC gives enough of a shit for it to matter.

But no one is going to know whether you watch them or not right?  And even if one doesn't buy Coke products, Coke has already spent their money advertising, therefore, the damage has already been done. 

I can see deciding not to go actually watch the Olympics in China and spend money over there, but I don't understand how choosing to turn on or off the TV makes any difference.
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« Reply #48: August 06, 2008, 10:42:45 pm »

But no one is going to know whether you watch them or not right?  And even if one doesn't buy Coke products, Coke has already spent their money advertising, therefore, the damage has already been done. 

I can see deciding not to go actually watch the Olympics in China and spend money over there, but I don't understand how choosing to turn on or off the TV makes any difference.

Because it does make a difference to the people who have spent the money on the ads. Because if you don't watch the commercials you are very likely affecting their bottom line. Maybe not tomorrow, but next month. Future product purchases and all that.

And, frankly, as a personally moral point, I will not support a country with human rights record that China has being the host of a set of games that is supposed to have a certain type of meaning to it. While there's no way the games could be stopped at this point, I hope that future host countries won't have the record that China does. That's one reason the advertising boycott can be effective. Sure, they've spent their money on the ads, but they may not get as much for their advertising dollar. In many ways, it's a pretty insignificant protest, but it's one that I can do personally. So while an advertiser might not know I'm personally not buying their product, I'll know it.  That's the point of most boycotts...not giving money to a cause you disagree with.
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« Reply #49: August 06, 2008, 11:00:56 pm »



But in the end, will it make any difference to the Chinese people?

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I can agree with that.
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« Reply #50: August 06, 2008, 11:32:28 pm »

But in the end, will it make any difference to the Chinese people?

I don't know, but that's not why I'm doing it. At least not directly.
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« Reply #51: August 06, 2008, 11:44:52 pm »

But in the end, will it make any difference to the Chinese people?

Not that I think the boycott WILL be large enough in our amusement-driven society, but IF the boycott were large enough, it could even be a slap in the face to China's government, possibly waking them up to the fact that the world is getting tired of their horrible violations of human rights. 

Really, though, if news of even a small boycott reached the ears of the Chinese leadership, there's always the hope that it might inspire some soul-searching.

And if it doesn't, at least it gives us boycotters a way to feel like we are having some small effect on the corporations responsible for sponsoring the Olympics in China.  Even a single dollar not given to evil is a dollar that can be given, instead, to good.
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« Reply #52: August 07, 2008, 01:57:32 am »

But no one is going to know whether you watch them or not right?  And even if one doesn't buy Coke products, Coke has already spent their money advertising, therefore, the damage has already been done. 

I can see deciding not to go actually watch the Olympics in China and spend money over there, but I don't understand how choosing to turn on or off the TV makes any difference.

Actually somehow they do.  They have some way of determining approximately how many people, at least in the US, are watching any given station, at any given time.  That's how they get their ratings, and either keep the ability to run the show, or lose it.
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« Reply #53: August 07, 2008, 08:40:35 am »

Actually somehow they do.  They have some way of determining approximately how many people, at least in the US, are watching any given station, at any given time.  That's how they get their ratings, and either keep the ability to run the show, or lose it.

Well they have the Nielsen ratings, but that is a chart they mail to you and you physically write in what you watch.  Now, some digital cable boxes transmit information back to the cable company, but only for digital channels.  If you have a satelitte dish or antenna, no one knows what you are watching.
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« Reply #54: August 08, 2008, 03:58:48 am »

Well they have the Nielsen ratings, but that is a chart they mail to you and you physically write in what you watch.  Now, some digital cable boxes transmit information back to the cable company, but only for digital channels.  If you have a satelitte dish or antenna, no one knows what you are watching.

I think there is some other way they do it though.  They've had ratings around for a while now, and it may be the Nielsen's thing, I'm not sure as this is the first I have heard it given any sort of a name.  I thought there was some other way they found out who was watching what and when.  But still it is a way that they can figure out how much of a "turn out" they get for any given show. 
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« Reply #55: August 08, 2008, 07:44:24 am »

Sure, they've spent their money on the ads, but they may not get as much for their advertising dollar. In many ways, it's a pretty insignificant protest, but it's one that I can do personally. So while an advertiser might not know I'm personally not buying their product, I'll know it.  That's the point of most boycotts...not giving money to a cause you disagree with.

Although, based upon the MSNBC article upthread (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26011699/)  advertisers are not seeing much bang for their buck even without a potential boycott.
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« Reply #56: August 08, 2008, 10:21:05 am »

Although, based upon the MSNBC article upthread (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26011699/)  advertisers are not seeing much bang for their buck even without a potential boycott.


I saw that headline yesterday. This is interesting. Looks like a lot of things are coming in to play here. Frankly, I'd like to see some of the commercialism die down. I understand it, but don't care for it. It's sort of like letting professional athletes compete. I don't care for that either, though I'll admit to being really happy with the US fielded it's incredible Dream Team in basketball a few years ago.  Cheesy
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« Reply #57: August 11, 2008, 05:20:49 pm »

I know a lot of people who usually watch the Olympics don't plan on watching this summer because they're in Beijing. What about you?

apparently some of the oh so fantastic opening fireworks that I didn't watch were faked.  ANother article I read, which I can't find anymore stated that the footprints were faked because they were too dangerous to actually set off.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080811_155420_16088
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« Reply #58: August 11, 2008, 06:10:06 pm »

Well they have the Nielsen ratings, but that is a chart they mail to you and you physically write in what you watch.  Now, some digital cable boxes transmit information back to the cable company, but only for digital channels.  If you have a satelitte dish or antenna, no one knows what you are watching.

Actually, the Nielsen ratings no longer operate that way.  Nielsen comes to your home, and installs a box that track everything happening on your tv, even if you don't have cable.

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« Reply #59: August 11, 2008, 06:23:41 pm »

Actually, the Nielsen ratings no longer operate that way.  Nielsen comes to your home, and installs a box that track everything happening on your tv, even if you don't have cable.

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Neilson would love our house.  THe last thing we watched that wasn't video was an Episode of Dr. WHo, (the first of the new seasons) about 4 months ago.  The TV is on alot, but it's all video.
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