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« Topic Start: August 03, 2008, 02:23:14 am »

I thought of this to explain something in another topic.  I use different correspondences than most people do for the elements in relation to the tarot suits.

So my question is, do you use "book" definitions for the correspondences (elemental or otherwise), and why or why not?

For myself, I gave up on the books for the elements at least.  I'll have to go back and see what other correspondences I have (it's been awhile, several moves and stuff still is not unpacked).

For Cups, I have water.  That is the only common denominator between my correspondences and the common ones.  My reasoning is pretty obvious, a cup holds water (or other liquids).

For Swords, I have fire.  When I think of a sword, I think of the process it takes to make one (forging), which require fire.  I also think of the fiery souls of those who wield a sword to anything resembling a decent display.

For Wands, I have earth.  Wand from branch, from tree, which grows in... you guessed it, earth.  I also associate it with growing things.

For Pentacles, I have air.  I had to think long and hard about this, and because of this association, I revamped this several times.  I ended up coming back to this.  Pentacles, whether seen as a coin, or as a design are something more mental than anything.  As a coin, it can show commerce which is a mental design in and of itself.  As a symbol, it is based in the ideals of a religion, community, or any group of people in general.  Both of these lead back to the mind, which I have always connected with air.  (I know other connect the mind to fire, which I always connect to the soul).
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« Reply #1: August 03, 2008, 08:22:43 am »

I thought of this to explain something in another topic.  I use different correspondences than most people do for the elements in relation to the tarot suits.

I can follow your explanation about pentacle being air.
It is not at all that far fetched.

I think the correspondences have to work for you.
Sword and Wand I've seen interchanged in some decks.

General correspondences might have a kind of power stored by all the people following and believing in them (which can be helpful) but personal correspondences resonate with your deep mind and that's the one who does the magic after all.

Myself, I'm a mix and matcher. I'll go for the books and get inspiration, but it is very likely to find me standing in the kitchen and then I see something among the spices and: Yes, that's it - you go into the mix, no matter what a book says Wink

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« Reply #2: August 03, 2008, 08:28:15 am »

So my question is, do you use "book" definitions for the correspondences (elemental or otherwise), and why or why not?

Even the book definitions vary a bit. Pentacles are almost always Earth and Cups almost always water. Swords and Wands, however, often vary between air and fire.  Personally, I prefer swords to be fire and wands to be air, but I can work with the opposite in a deck whose symbolism requires it -- if I really like the deck.
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« Reply #3: August 03, 2008, 11:17:47 am »

So my question is, do you use "book" definitions for the correspondences (elemental or otherwise), and why or why not?

For me it depends on the deck I am using. When doing readings for myself I use a novelty deck, so I go by the deck's instructions or it gets too complicated to figure out.  But for most other decks the element match-up goes like this:

Pentacles - Air (stars are in the sky)
Cups - Water (cups hold water)
Swords - Fire (similar power)
Wands - Earth (wands are made from trees)
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« Reply #4: August 03, 2008, 09:02:58 pm »

I can follow your explanation about pentacle being air.
It is not at all that far fetched.

I think the correspondences have to work for you.
Sword and Wand I've seen interchanged in some decks.

General correspondences might have a kind of power stored by all the people following and believing in them (which can be helpful) but personal correspondences resonate with your deep mind and that's the one who does the magic after all.

Myself, I'm a mix and matcher. I'll go for the books and get inspiration, but it is very likely to find me standing in the kitchen and then I see something among the spices and: Yes, that's it - you go into the mix, no matter what a book says Wink

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Exactly how I see it.  Some parts you use because they are necessary, others you add or revise because it is what seems right to do.  Sometimes things turn out the better for it, sometimes... well not so much.
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« Reply #5: August 03, 2008, 09:41:42 pm »



<insert standard I-don't-do-tarot-nor-observe-classical-elements disclaimer here>

I think that all four suits can be associated with earth.  My reasoning breaks down to:

sword - made of metal.  Metal comes from the Earth.

cup - made from either metal, clay, glass or wood.  Metal and clay comes from the Earth, glass made from sand, wood comes from trees which comes from the Earth.

wand - made of either wood or metal and often includes crystals.  Metal and crystals come from the Earth.  Wood comes from trees which comes from the Earth.

penacle - can be made from various materials that comes from the Earth.  Suit symbolizes wealth which also comes from the Earth (crops, precious metals and stones)

Also fire can correspond with three suits because swords, cups and pentacles (depending on the materials they're made from) requires fire to make them.
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« Reply #6: August 03, 2008, 09:45:42 pm »

Also fire can correspond with three suits because swords, cups and pentacles (depending on the materials they're made from) requires fire to make them.

I take it you've never seen/heard of a wand made of metal.  So it could actually be all four.

And yes, they could, it all depends on how a person sees things.  Which is what this topic is about, why people see the correspondences as they do.  Just a curiosity thing with me.
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« Reply #7: August 03, 2008, 09:53:13 pm »

I take it you've never seen/heard of a wand made of metal.  So it could actually be all four.

Damn, and I mentioned metal the first time I covered wands Tongue

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And yes, they could, it all depends on how a person sees things.  Which is what this topic is about, why people see the correspondences as they do.  Just a curiosity thing with me.

This is why I don't do ceremonial magic, I cant for the life of me put up with most of the correspondences involved Tongue
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« Reply #8: August 03, 2008, 10:26:45 pm »

Damn, and I mentioned metal the first time I covered wands Tongue

This is why I don't do ceremonial magic, I cant for the life of me put up with most of the correspondences involved Tongue

That's my problem with ceremonial magic, too.  Most of it doesn't give a reason for the correspondences other than what seems to be the ADM phenomenon, or things that otherwise just do not make any sense to me.  (Yes, I have officially given in to using the ADM.)
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« Reply #9: August 03, 2008, 10:30:57 pm »

That's my problem with ceremonial magic, too.  Most of it doesn't give a reason for the correspondences other than what seems to be the ADM phenomenon, or things that otherwise just do not make any sense to me.  (Yes, I have officially given in to using the ADM.)

You know that's not safe to mention them, right?  Not to mention that you're not whispering not to mention overly daring Grin
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« Reply #10: August 03, 2008, 11:26:06 pm »

You know that's not safe to mention them, right?  Not to mention that you're not whispering not to mention overly daring Grin

Hm, well, if they have an issue with it, they can come visit me in my dreams.  Not like I would take them seriously anyway.  I'd just chalk it up to bad food, or my, very often, overactive imagination.  Then again, that might explain some of the odd dreams I've had...  Grin
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« Reply #11: August 04, 2008, 10:26:40 am »

That's my problem with ceremonial magic, too.  Most of it doesn't give a reason for the correspondences other than what seems to be the ADM phenomenon, or things that otherwise just do not make any sense to me.  (Yes, I have officially given in to using the ADM.)

Forgive my dullness, what is ADM?
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« Reply #12: August 04, 2008, 10:42:43 am »

Forgive my dullness, what is ADM?

Grin  Nothing dull about it.  ADM = Atlantean Dolphin Masters.  A running joke based on the number of fluffies who have claimed they are channeling Atlantean Masters (I don't think anybody actually remembers where the Dolphins came into play on TC).
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« Reply #13: August 04, 2008, 10:49:55 am »

Grin  Nothing dull about it.  ADM = Atlantean Dolphin Masters.  A running joke based on the number of fluffies who have claimed they are channeling Atlantean Masters (I don't think anybody actually remembers where the Dolphins came into play on TC).

Aahhh, gotcha.  Heard/read all about 'em, just never seen it abbreviated before.

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« Reply #14: August 04, 2008, 05:53:17 pm »

Grin  Nothing dull about it.  ADM = Atlantean Dolphin Masters.  A running joke based on the number of fluffies who have claimed they are channeling Atlantean Masters (I don't think anybody actually remembers where the Dolphins came into play on TC).

Actually, we do.  See the first thread linked to on this web page: Old Board Archives -- How to Deal with Fluff Bunnies from 1998.
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